美球迷熱議喬治和字母哥誰更出色？字母哥還需在季後賽證明自己？

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美球迷熱議喬治和字母哥誰更出色？字母哥還需在季後賽證明自己？

Giannis Antetokounpo or Paul George? (self.nba)

阿德托昆博還是喬治？

Who do you think is better? and who would you rather build around in today"s game?

Giannis has my vote.

你覺得誰更強？在當今的比賽風格下，你寧願圍繞誰來建隊？

我選字母哥。

[–]Pacers3Hills1George 45 指標 7小時前

I know this sub is very high on Giannis right now, and understandably so, but I think it"s silly to act like he should be a lock over Paul George on any team right now. Paul has a much larger body of work. Let"s watch Giannis carry his team in the playoffs or put up the kind of scoring numbers that Paul has so many times, first, in my opinion.

我知道現在濕乎乎對字母哥的評價非常高，而且這麼評價是可以理解的，但我覺得現在就覺得字母哥在任何球隊都能穩壓喬治，真是蠢得可以。喬治的乾貨多很多，我覺得先讓我們看看字母哥在季後賽carry球隊或者打出喬治那麼多次的得分數據再說吧。

[–]Bucksshakeandbakemate[S] 10 指標 6小時前

Very, very true about PG carrying his team. Those duels with Lebron & the heat were INSANE. I"m completely bias in saying this but I think Giannis can get to that level in a couple years

喬治carry球隊這個是非常非常對的，看看那些喬治和詹姆斯以及熱火對抗打出的變態表現，這麼說就很明顯了，我完全傾向喬治，但我覺得字母哥未來幾年後能達到這個級別。

[–]Pacers3Hills1George 2 指標 6小時前

He probably needs to improve his shooting but you"re right. I"d love to see what you guys can do in the playoffs with him as improved as he is.

字母哥可能需要提升他的投射能力，但你說的對，我很期待看到進化後的字母哥在雄鹿能在季後賽干出什麼大事。

[–]Bucksshakeandbakemate[S] 4 指標 5小時前

I think we should also take into account that PG is playing in a completely different team now vs those 2013 playoff runs. New coach and so much new personnel has come in since his injury so its a new system. I think they"ll be a top 3 seed next year.

我覺得我們也應該考慮到喬治現在所效力的球隊與2013年季後賽的那支球隊相比是完全不同的，從他受傷以來新教練以及那麼多的人員變化，所以這是一個新的體系，我覺得明年步行者會是東部前三。

[–]SpursDeMichaelDeJordan 16 指標 7小時前

George. He"s proved himself in the playoffs

選喬治，他在季後賽中證明了自己。

[–]Cavalierservilha123 3 指標 5小時前

Yes, we are yet to see how Giannis will adapt to the slower pace in the playoffs when defenses tighten up since so much of what he does in on the fast break.

是的，我們現在還沒看到字母哥在節奏更慢防守高度更強的季後賽中能如何適應，因為他很多回合是在快攻中打成的。

[–][MIN] Karl-Anthony TownsShitnameshitpost 1 指標 4小時前

Plus when a team will have multiple games to set up their D to contain him, PGs series against the Raps was incredible with how little help he was getting almost willing his team past the 2 seed

而且季后里球隊將有多場比賽來布置針對防守來防字母哥。喬治在對陣猛龍的系列賽中，在幫手如此小的情況下，他的表現難以置信，差點就扛著球隊邁過了第二號種子。

[–]Raptorsderpwell 1 指標 1小時前

I have the utmost respect for PG after that series. He was very clearly the best player on the floor.

那個系列賽之後我對喬治的尊敬是至高無上的，顯然他就是當時場上最棒的球員。

[–]Bucksdeodorant_1 7 指標 7小時前

Going forward? Giannis. He"s much younger and hasn"t missed an entire year due to injury. For one game or one season it"s a closer call though

未來嗎？那就是選字母哥咯。他年輕那麼多，而且沒有因為傷病缺陣一整年，不過一場論或者一賽季而論，他們之間就很接近了。

[–]Raptorspacpacpac 13 指標 6小時前

Going forward? Giannis.

Right now in a playoff series? PG.

未來嗎？字母哥。

現在在季後賽的一個系列賽里選？喬治。

[–]76ersfalangist1 10 指標 7小時前*

Giannis to build around

But if I had to choose for the Sixers, I"d take PG because I think we need more of a shooter than a ball dominant guy

It"s really close though. I think people have been underrating PG a little this season even despite his slight regression

圍繞字母哥建隊。

但如果我要為76人選的話我會選喬治，因為我覺得相對一個要球權支配的球員，我們更需要一個射手。

不過這倆人真的很接近，我覺得儘管喬治稍微有點退步，但人們對這個賽季的喬治有點低估了。

[–]Wizards0tt0man3mpir3 11 指標 7小時前

Before this season- PG Now and going forward- Giannis.

Giannis JUST turned 22 and is arguably having a better season statistically than PG ever has. The only argument for PG is he steps it up in the playoffs and is probably a better on ball defender

這個賽季前——喬治，現在以及未來——字母哥。

字母哥剛剛年滿22歲，而且數據而論，可以說字母哥賽季表現比喬治所打出過的賽季表現都更好。喬治唯一的論證是在季後賽他能挺身而出，而且可能防守持球人防的更好。

[–]Wizardsireddit270 4 指標 6小時前

Cmon man. You"re basically saying "the only argument for PG is that he has a greater track record of being a superior player"

30 games worth of regular season stats doesn"t put Giannis over George, imo.

得了吧，你基本就是說「對於喬治唯一的論據就是作為一個頂級球員，他過去的成就更好而已」。

我覺得30場常規賽的數據價值不會使字母哥排在喬治之前。

[–]Wizards0tt0man3mpir3 11 指標 6小時前

And your argument is that George has been better throughout his career, which, although I agree, isn"t the question. OP also asked who I would rather build around going forward, you would"t pick the guy 4 1/2 years younger who"s having a better season?

而你的觀點是喬治的生涯表現更好，而這個我是同意的，這不是問題。樓主還問了未來寧願選誰來圍繞艦隊，難道你不選一個小4歲半且賽季表現更好的球員？

[–]theshaqattack 3 指標 4小時前

Hang on, saying PG has never had a 30 game sample size like Giannis has right now is blatantly wrong. George was an MVP candidate in 13/14 and averaged 22/7/4/2 in the whole regular season while leading the Pacers to the 1 seed in the Eastern Conference. Never mind they made the ECF against the James led Heat and in the playoffs averaged 23/8/4/2 and went head to head against Lebron for 6 games .

Never mind George is still averaging 21/7/3/2 in the 16/17 season and you"re acting like there"s no possible argument...

慢著，說喬治從沒有打出像現在字母哥這樣的30場樣本的數據完全是錯的，喬治13/14賽季是MVP候選，而且整個常規賽場均22+7+7+2，帶領步行者拿到了東部第一種子的席位。他們進了東決打詹姆斯領銜的熱火，而且季後賽場均23+8+4+2，而且6場比賽和詹姆斯互懟。

喬治16/17賽季喬治仍然打出了場均21+7+3+2的數據，而你們卻說得這沒什麼好爭論的一樣…

[–]WizardsRotMGMeliorus 6 指標 6小時前

Giannis, it"s not even close.

選字母哥，這甚至都沒什麼值得一辯。

[–]Da_Realest_Mutombo 2 指標 4小時前

i would say its pretty close. Id pick giannis too if i was building a team because hes alot younger and supremely talented. but you cant forget about how good PG is. struggling a bit this year but that man is a true superstar, he"ll bring that team back

我會說他們很接近啊，如果是建隊的話我也會選字母哥，因為他更年輕而且極其有天賦，但你不能忘了喬治有多棒，今年有點掙扎，但他是一個真正的超級球星，他會帶領球隊回到正軌的。

[–]Bucksthisishorsepoop 12 指標 6小時前

Giannis is defending at a level George has never defended at. Giannis is averaging more points than George ever has. Giannis is scoring those points at a TS% George has never even gotten within .50 of. Giannis is rebounding more than George ever has. Giannis is obviously passing and creating for teammates more than George ever has. Sure, although George scores less than Giannis and does so at a worse efficiency, he can shoot from outside. So if you think George"s range cancels out Giannis" elite finishing, elite transition ability, and very good playmaking for his size, realize that none of the advanced offensive metrics bear that out either - Giannis" current marks beats all of George"s for his career.

Who do I take in the future? Giannis. Who do I take right now? Giannis. Who do I take in the past? George. Who do I take when I"m too scared to acknowledge change and can"t see something blatantly obvious happening right in front of me? George. Who do I take when using the "small sample size" argument so I can always default to the status quo instead of using critical thinking? George.

字母哥打出的防守水準喬治從沒達到過，字母哥場均得分比喬治生涯歷史都更高，字母哥拿到那樣得分數據的真實命中率，喬治生涯歷史命中率在50%以內的真實命中率都沒有達到字母哥的水準，字母哥籃板數比喬治生涯歷史都更多，很顯然字母哥為隊友傳球和創造機會都比喬治生涯歷史更多。當然，儘管喬治得分比字母哥少而且效率更差，他能投外圍遠投。所以如果你覺得喬治的射程抵消掉了字母哥精英級別的終結能力，精英級的轉換能力，以及相對於他的身材來說非常幫的組織能力，你還是會意識到沒有高階進攻度量標準能證明——字母哥目前數據強於喬治生涯每一年。

未來我會選誰？字母哥，現在我會選誰？字母哥。以前我會選誰？喬治。當我過於害怕去做改變而且看不到就在我眼前發生的明顯的不得了的事情，我會選誰？喬治。用「小樣本」的論據這樣我總是能默認現狀，而不是運用批判性思維時，我會選誰？喬治。

[–]Netsaydee123 5 指標 6小時前

He"s better than George this season, but I think that you need at least two consecutive seasons before you can say that Giannis is better in general.

But I"d definitely take Giannis over George if I was starting a team. Giannis is 4.5 years younger and if he continues improving then he"ll be better than George ever was.

這個賽季字母哥比喬治更強，但我覺得通常至少需要連續兩個賽季才能說字母哥更強。

但如果我開始建隊的話，我肯定會把字母哥排在喬治之前，字母哥小4，5歲，而且如果他持續提高的話，那他會比喬治達到的高度更強。

[–][TOR] John Lucas IIIhastyconch 2 指標 2小時前

Oh my god people love to shit on Paul George. The answer is no, not now. Paul George is an absolute beast when it actually matters. He can do everything on the floor at an elite level, and even though the regular season doesn"t show him as a SUPERstar, he"s a different fucking animal in the postseason EVERY SINGLE POSTSEASON. Like fuck I would rather play Milwaukee in the playoffs any day over the Pacers and the only reason for that would be PG13. In the future? Yeah obviously Giannis because he"s young and showing signs of drastic improvement. But this year? And every year until Giannis can carry his team through a seven game series? Paul George.

我的天吶，人們樂於去噴喬治。答案是不，至少不是現在。喬治到關鍵時刻是個十足的野獸，他在場上每個方面都能打出精英級的表現，而且儘管常規賽沒有表現出他是一個超級球星，季後賽他是完全的野獸，每個季後賽都是這樣。任何時候選擇季後賽的對手我都寧願把雄鹿排在步行者之前，而其中的唯一原因就是喬治。未來而論呢？是的，顯然是字母哥，因為他很年輕而且露出了大進步的跡象。但今年，以及每一年直到字母哥能扛著球隊邁過7場系列賽之前選誰？喬治。

[–]BucksIfeanyi18 2 指標 7小時前

Giannis of course

當然是字母哥啦。

[–][MIA] Justise WinslowTito_Our_Saviour 2 指標 7小時前

Gaul Peorge

喬治

[–][DET] Brandon Jenningspeanutbutter1236 2 指標 7小時前

George

喬治

[–][MIL] Giannis Antetokounmpothighfat 1 指標 5小時前

This is crazy for me , cuz I"m a Pacers fan for life, and also a Giannis follower..... but George right now..... Giannis in like 2-3 years

對我來說很抓狂啊，因為我一生都是步行者球迷，而且也是字母歌人蜜…但現在的話選喬治…兩三年後選字母哥。

[–]Hawksjumboponcho 1 指標 5小時前

I"ve seen PG be the best player on a championship contender. I need to see more from Giannis, particularly in the playoffs.

我見過在一支冠軍爭奪者的球隊里喬治是最好的球員，我需要從字母哥身上看到更多的東西，尤其是季後賽。

[–]BucksBoatsnBagels 1 指標 3小時前

Bucks fans - It"s awesome to see the support on this thread but I think we would have a more clear cut answer (and obviously less biased) if we let fans from other teams answer the question.

雄鹿球迷——看到這帖里那麼多人支持很爽啊，但我覺得如果讓其他球隊的球迷回答這個問題的話會得到更多果斷的答案（而且顯然傾向性更少）。

[–][WAS] John WallWholeLottaGlove 0 指標 7小時前

George

喬治。

[–]Hornetsbubowskee 0 指標 7小時前

Paul George and I don"t think it is that hard of a decision. PG is a very good defender and can actually shoot the ball. When he has a good team around him he has won over 50 games consistently.

喬治啊，而且我覺得這不是一個艱難的決定。喬治是一個非常棒的防守者，而且真的能投善射。當他身邊有一支不錯的球隊時，他每個賽季持續勝場超過50場。

[–]BucksR99 6 指標 6小時前

Giannis, statistically, is a top 5 defender this season.

Giannis has better numbers this year than Paul George ever has.

The Bucks roster right now outside of Giannis and Jabari is awful. Dellavedova, Snell, and Henson wouldn"t start on almost any other team.

字母哥，數據而論，他是這個賽季前五的防守球員。

字母哥今年比喬治生涯任何一年的表現都要更好。

雄鹿現在的陣容除了字母哥和賈巴里帕克外爛的很，戴拉維多瓦，斯奈爾，以及亨森在其他任何一支球隊幾乎都不會是首發。

[–]Warriorsandrewfdp071291 -2 指標 7小時前

Giannis. PG before he snapped his leg though.

選字母哥。不過斷腿之前的話，選喬治。

[–][POR] Damian LillardDrTom 7 指標 7小時前

Why? He"s just as good now as he was before the injury.

為什麼？喬治現在和他受傷前一樣強啊。

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