鄧肯勸橄欖球巨星曼寧和他一樣讀完大學丨馬刺才是真擺爛專家？

鄧肯勸橄欖球巨星曼寧和他一樣讀完大學丨馬刺才是真擺爛專家？

佩頓-曼寧談起鄧肯勸他留校：「我跟他聊過。不同於其他球員，鄧肯在大學打滿了四年。他跟我說：『嘿，我想打到大四，這樣多一年的準備時間。』這讓我覺得留校是OK的，現在看來這是我做的最正確的決定。」

Peyton Manning on Tim Duncan』s advice about staying in school: "I talked to Tim. He stayed for his senior year which was against the norm. He said, "Hey, I wanted to be a senior, I wanted one more year to get ready." It let me know that it was OK to stay & it"s the best decision I ever made."

[–][NYK] Jeremy Linvoodoogenre 2274 指標 15小時前

The story with Duncan and college actually goes much deeper than just wanting to be "ready" when the time came. Truth be told, people tried to convince Timmy to declare for the draft as early as late in his freshman year. From his sophomore year on it was an open secret that if he were to declare, he would"ve gone number one. Nevertheless, Timmy stayed in school, not because he needed more time to "get ready" but because he valued his education, and because of his mother.

關於鄧肯和大學的這個故事，其中的意義遠比「做好準備」更深遠。事實上，很多人勸鄧肯在大一的時候就宣布參選。而且從他大二開始，只要他宣布參選就一定能鎖定狀元，這基本是個公開的秘密了。即使如此，鄧肯仍然選擇待在學校，並不是他有多需要時間來「做好準備」，而是因為他很看重教育，其中也有他母親的因素。

From wikipedia:

"His mother was diagnosed with breast cancer and died one day before his 14th birthday. In her last days, she made Duncan and his sisters promise to finish college with a degree, which would later explain Duncan"s refusal to leave college early."

This dude knew he was going to go number 1 for three straight years, and still he refrained out of respect for his mothers legacy. When he did eventually graduate (and was drafted at number 1, as expected), he wrote a senior thesis titled "Blowhards, Snobs, and Narcissists: Interpersonal Relations to Excessive Egotism"

摘自維基：

「鄧肯母親被確診了乳腺癌，並且在他14歲生日的前一天去世了。在她最後的時日里，她讓鄧肯和他姐妹們答應她一定讀完大學並且拿到學位。這樣就能解釋鄧肯為什麼拒絕提前離開大學了。」

他很清楚自己未來的三年哪一年參選都能當狀元，他剋制住了並遵從了母親的遺願。他畢業 (並如預期那樣當選狀元)時寫的畢業論文，題目是《吹牛大王、勢利鬼、自戀狂：與極度自負心理相關的人際聯繫》。

7wcsf_wasFixed 1056 指標 14小時前

Yep, and this is why, even though I"m a Suns fan and Duncan killed us over and over and over again, I have always been a huge Duncan fan and respected him. He didn"t get molded into a person of character on the Spurs, he already had it and brought it with him. He set the tone for the whole team for 2 decades, all the while eschewing the spotlight. He is truly one of the most interesting superstars in league history to me.

And again it"s odd for a Suns fan to be so much higher on Duncan than the general consensus, but personally I have him ranked #3 all time.

太陽球迷：沒錯就是這樣。我是個太陽球迷，哪怕鄧肯一次又一次的虐殺我們，我都一直是鄧肯的鐵粉並且一直敬仰著他。不是馬刺把他塑造成馬刺人的性格，而是他本來就是這樣，他一直都帶著這種氣質。他為這支球隊的20餘年定下基調，一直都避免出現在聚光燈下。他對我來說真的是聯盟有史以來最有意思的巨星了。

對於一個太陽球迷來說，過高的、甚至高於一般輿論地評價鄧肯，多少有些奇怪。但就我個人來說，我會把他排在歷史第三。

[–]Suns beef_ericson 633 指標 14小時前

Reads username

I"m a Suns fan

You don"t say?

我看了看你的ID。(07wcsf_wasFixed含義為：07年西部半決賽被操縱了)

再看了看你說的「我是個太陽球迷」

沒毛病。

[–]SpursTornGauntlet 166 指標 13小時前

Reads username

ITS BEEF ERICSON DAY PATRICK!

看樓上ID。

派大星！今天是畢夫-埃里克松日！[譯註1]

[譯註1]：出自海綿寶寶，原文Happy Leif Erikson Day!與樓上ID beef ericson相似。

[–][UTA] Mehmet OkurInMyBrokenChair 28 指標 13小時前

Maybe he thinks the Jazz-Warriors series was fixed

爵士球迷：噢，他可能是想說07年勇士和爵士的西部半決賽被操縱了。

[–]Spursdoragaes 10 指標 9小時前

Hey, second choice for my username was 2002wcf_wasfixed

馬刺球迷：如果我能改名的話我就改成「2002西決_被操縱了」。

[–]WarriorsUnverifiedAllegation 3 指標 8小時前

horry_didnothingwrong07

你應該改成：「霍里_07年沒做錯什麼」。

[–]Sunsfucking_comma_splice 50 指標 12小時前

have him ranked #3 all time

behind MJ and Nash, right?

太陽球迷：「把他排在歷史第三」。

就排在喬丹和納什後面對不？

[–]HeatBananaPrevalence 60 指標 11小時前

No behind Nash and Barkley

不不不，他的意思是排在納什和巴克利後面。

[–]Knicksmarkuel25 24 指標 13小時前

Jordan and lebron?

可能是說喬丹和詹姆斯？

[–][SAS] Manu GinobiliMikhailGorbachef 34 指標 13小時前

I mean that"s the r/nba consensus but I presume he prioritizes things slightly differently to have Duncan #3. Most people would put Kareem above Duncan as well.

我覺得這確實就是SHH的一般看法(喬丹詹姆斯前二)，但我可能不太認同他把鄧肯排在第三。大多數人應該會把天鉤排在鄧肯前面吧。

[–]07wcsf_wasFixed 38 指標 11小時前

Responding to this comment and your lower comment both, /u/markuel25 is correct:

Jordan

LeBron (prospective)

Duncan

Kareem

The reason I put Duncan above Kareem is I believe Duncan doesn』t get enough credit for 』03, where Admiral was already 37, Parker was just a sophomore, you didn』t have Horry yet, etc. Conversely, Kareem I think doesn』t get penalized enough for lack of success once Oscar retired/after he went to LA but pre-Magic.

回複評論。@ markuel25這位兄弟是對的。喬丹、詹姆斯(預計)、鄧肯、天鉤。我把鄧肯排在天鉤前面是因為人們低估了他03年的偉大，那時候大衛羅賓遜37了，帕克剛二年級，霍里還沒來呢。相反，天鉤在大O退役、魔術師還沒出現的這段時間裡缺少榮譽，卻沒有被人詬病。

Kareem and Duncan both had the longevity, so that cancels out for me, and Duncan』s defense can offset Kareem』s offense, although both were great two-way players in their day of course. One other factor, Duncan had success in two fairly distinct eras of Basketball, the late 「post」 era and the early 「3pt」 era, so I feel more comfortable with his versatility than Kareem』s.

天鉤和鄧肯都有持久的生涯，所以相抵消。鄧肯的防守可以抵消天鉤的進攻，當然他們都是攻防兩端都非常出色的球員。還有一點，鄧肯在兩個時代里都取得了成功，一個是「後低位時代」，一個是「前三分時代」。所以我覺得他比天鉤更全能。

[–]Lakersthrowaway_chem_eng 1613 指標 17小時前

"Don"t do that" - Anthony Bennett, Hasheem Thabeet, Michael Beasley

「別這麼干。(提前參選)」本內特、塔比特、比斯利如是說。

[–]LakersiStanley 14 指標 15小時前

"Do that" - Lamar Odom

「就這麼干。」奧多姆如是說。

[–]New Jersey NetsDMKarwoski 597 指標 17小時前

As a Uconn fan, it"s Memphis dumb ass fault for picking him. I laughed my ass off the second they drafted him #2 overall. Everyone in the Big East knew he was tall but trash.

He left after a Final Four appearance cause his stock was not going to be higher.

作為康涅狄格大學的球迷，我覺得灰熊真是瞎了眼了去選塔比特。當他們用榜眼簽去選他的時候我都笑傻了。每一個大東聯盟的人都知道塔比特除了身高一無是處。

他止步四強之後去參選了，因為這樣他的順位會高些。

[–]Cavaliers BandwagonMrDingus20 288 指標 16小時前

Cardale Jones shoulda taken notes.

Cardale Jones[譯註2]真該在鄧肯說這段話的時候在旁邊記點筆記。

[譯註2]：一位在社交媒體上十分活躍的大學橄欖球手。

圖中推文：我們是來這裡打橄欖球的，為什麼要去上課？我們不是來「打課」的，上課簡直毫無意義。

[–]Spurscjp-trill-og 307 指標 16小時前

He didn"t come to play school, he is not taking any notes.

他特么又不是來「打課」的，他才不記筆記。TX

[–]NBAerated 74 指標 15小時前

All those busts going number 1 because they cashed in when their stock was at a high - in the markets, that would be considered savvy.

It"s only a mistake if staying another year would"ve actually changed their talents/development.

那些水貨當選了狀元是因為他們恰好在個人價值最高的時候去參選了，在生意場里，這麼做很聰明。

如果多呆一年會提高他們的潛力或者前途，提前參選才是錯誤。

[–]the_toe_ 43 指標 14小時前

100%. Each of these guys failed to excel because they weren"t as good as it looked like they would be when they were 19. If they would have stayed all that would have happened is their lack of skills would have been revealed sooner and they would have never been able to cash in on the overly high expectation.

絕對是這樣。那些水貨沒打出來的原因是，他們沒達到自己19歲時外界對他們的預期。如果他們選擇留校的話，唯一的結果就是他們技術上的不足會過早地暴露，然後他們永遠都無法恰到好處地在最被看好的時候參選。

[–]Bulls BandwagonShiva- 42 指標 13小時前

I am going to say no. If Beasley stayed a year he"d probably still be a top 5 pick.

It"s not that he lacks the physique... or even skill for college... it"s that he lacks the work ethic and mentality for the NBA.

If that guy worked half as much as Lebron he"d easily be a top 100 player in the league.

But no, instead he blew his money on pot and partying in South Beach.

我不贊同。就算比斯利再在大學呆一年他也仍然會是前五順位。

他欠缺的不是身體素質或者大學時的技術，他欠缺的是工作態度和打NBA所需的意志力。

那傢伙哪怕有詹姆斯一半兒的努力他都能輕輕鬆鬆的成為聯盟前100。

然而他並不努力，他把錢都揮霍在大麻和南海岸的派對上了。

 [–]LakersILOVEBASKETBALL24 49 指標 13小時前

Idk if Beasley is in the thabeet Bennett category

我不確定比斯利到底屬不屬於塔比特和本內特這樣的水貨之流。

[–]Jasperbeardly11 18 指標 12小時前

That"s an interesting argument because many people knew thabeet was going to suck so that one is more of a case of being just a bad selection.

Then you look at Michael Beasley and he"s still in the league he"s still an interesting role player he could still play for pretty much any team and you see a guy that should have excelled in the league and really been taken advantage of his game fitting where the league has moved towards. Yet his ego and demeanor held him back and it was only when he was willing to sublimate his ego that he was able to find a place in the league successfully.

這個問題問得好。因為很多人都知道塔比特會水，所以他只能算是一次糟糕的選秀。

但你再看看比斯利，他仍然在聯盟里打球，仍然是個有點意思的輪換球員，仍然可以在很多隊打上球。而他本應躋身聯盟前列並且隨著聯盟的發展而更加如魚得水、展其驥足。但他的自負和風格束縛了他，只有當他想克服自身的自負時他才能在聯盟有一席之地並且獲得成功。

[–]Warriorsodog402 153 指標 14小時前

Joakim Noah was projected to be a top 3 pick after the 2006 season. He stayed in school another year to win another ring for Florida.

His draft stock dropped the following year top a top 10 pick. Not a huge drop, but I do remember scouts using that extra year to tear apart his game and find weaknesses.

喬金-諾阿在06賽季之後本被預測在前三順位的。但他選擇留在大學裡去為佛羅里達爭取另一枚戒指。

下一年他的順位就掉下來了，剛剛進前十。說不上是大滑坡，但我記得球探們正是利用他多呆的那一年深度分析了他打的比賽，並在其中找尋他的缺點。

[–]SpursBersho 75 指標 12小時前

Yeesh, if he was 3 he would have gone to the Bobcats. Probably best he landed in CHI

雖是這麼說，但如果他是第三順位的話就去山貓了。可能公牛真的是他最好的歸宿。

[–]TimberwolvesPFunk224 30 指標 12小時前

Bulls previously said that they would have drafted him at 2 if he had come out the year before.

公牛之前說過，如果諾阿提前一年參選的話他們會用第二順位來選他。

[–]Celticsputinspenis 711 指標 16小時前

What really happened:

"Hey Peyton if you stay another year you won"t have to be a Jet"

事實是這樣的：

鄧肯：「嘿，曼寧，如果你多呆一年的話你就不用去紐約噴氣機隊了。」

[–]LakersOneRiotTooMany 230 指標 16小時前

And when you"re a Jet, you"re a Jet all the way

而且「一朝噴氣機，一生噴氣機。」[譯註3]

[譯註3]：歌曲《Jet Song》歌詞。

[–][OKC] Lonnie Sheltonsnap_wilson 139 指標 14小時前

"Tim, I think this is my last rodeo. How do I go out gracefully?"

"Hug the Papa John"s guy and definitely thank Budweiser."

——曼寧：「蒂姆，我覺得這就是我的謝幕戰了，怎樣能讓我看起來更有魅力？」

——「去擁抱棒約翰的店員然後誠摯地感謝百威啤酒。」[譯註4]

[譯註4]：曼寧投資了21家棒約翰餐廳，也代言百威啤酒。

[–]MavericksRangersCrusader 36 指標 9小時前

Peyton Manning"s one true love is doing commercials. Football was just a way to get famous enough to pursue his true passion.

做商業廣告絕對算是佩頓-曼寧的最愛。他打橄欖球只是為了出名，以便他去做自己愛做的事。

[–]RocketsTheHalfbadger 52 指標 15小時前

I wonder how much the NBA would"ve changed had Duncan entered the "96 draft.

One thing"s for sure, that class would give "84 a run for its money.

我很好奇鄧肯如果96年參選的話NBA會變成什麼樣。

但毫無疑問的一點是，那一屆肯定能比肩84一屆了。

[–]ManuNights 25 指標 15小時前

I believe alot of people considered Camby the better prospect, so he wouldve likely gone 3rd or 4th to the Grizzlies or the Bucks/Wolves(depends on if the Bucks still trade the pick)

Imagine KG and Duncan on the same team.

Best bigman duo ever

我相信很多人都會覺得馬庫斯-坎比更有前途，所以鄧肯可能會在第三或者第四順位去灰熊或者雄鹿或者森林狼(取決於雄鹿是否交易那個選秀權)。

想像一下鄧肯和KG一隊。

這絕對是最棒的大個子組合。

[–][OKC] Lonnie Sheltonsnap_wilson 62 指標 14小時前

Noooooooo. Duncan was can"t-miss. Teams were tanking for a shot at him. He would have gone ahead of A.I.

不不不不，鄧肯是絕對不容錯過的。所有球隊都會為他擺爛，他一定會超越艾弗森成為狀元的。

[–][PHI] Allen Iversonbonerbasketball 36 指標 14小時前

Wait the Sixers didn"t invent tanking?

76人球迷：啊？擺爛不是我們發明的嗎？

[–]Spurskawhi_tho 30 指標 12小時前

We perfected it. One year of tanking, 20 years of 50+ wins. Can"t beat that efficiency.

馬刺球迷：（是你們的是你們的）我們只是進行了一些改進。擺爛一年，50+勝利20年。這效率誰能比？？

[–][PHI] Joel EmbiidNewAccountNow 5 指標 11小時前

What"s the formula?

76人球迷：求教……

[–]Spurskawhi_tho 13 指標 11小時前

Draft Tim Duncan. It also helps to have a Pop, David, Manu, Tony, and Kawhi.

馬刺球迷：其實就是選個鄧肯。當然，波波、大衛羅賓遜、馬努、帕克和卡哇伊也有著很大的幫助。

[–]Wizardsmrb11n 69 指標 16小時前

Manning, however, decided not to take his fashion advice.

然而，曼寧決定，在時尚方面不聽從鄧肯的建議。

[–]SpursEmpereurDuSale 55 指標 13小時前

What are you talking about ? Tim has great taste in fashion.

你說啥呢？鄧肯給出的關於時尚的見解都很獨到啊。

[–]LakersGorrtan 14 指標 12小時前

Damn you.

瞎了瞎了，你快滾。

[–]76ersLoadedPotatoSkins_ 312 指標 16小時前

nah peyton just didnt wanna go to the jets. if anyone thinks he learnt dick in school ill be amazed.

其實曼寧當時只是不想去噴氣機隊而已。他在學校可是二八都沒學。

[–]Celticsorange_sox 184 指標 16小時前

He may not have learned dick, but taught...

二八可能不是學的，是硬塞給他的。

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