叫爸爸！詹姆斯對隊友真實命中率提升巨大|小王爺歐文不升反降

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叫爸爸！詹姆斯對隊友真實命中率提升巨大|小王爺歐文不升反降

By popular demand, LeBron"s effect on his teammates" TS% (using data since the 2014-15 regular season)

應大家的需求，做了張從14-15賽季起，詹姆斯對隊友真實命中率的影響。

錢寧弗萊：↑ 14%；科沃爾：↑ 12.4%；湯普森：↑ 4.4%

傑弗森：↑ 4.6%；樂福：↑ 4%；JR史密斯：↑ 8.2*

凱里歐文：↓ 1.2%；香波特：↑5.1%

[–]NBAca1294[S] 82 指標 6小時前

I posted this graph for Westbrook earlier, and a popular request was the same image for LeBron.

A common (and fair) criticism in the last graph was the small sample size, so I decided to use data since the 2014-15 regular season. As expected, LeBron has a significant positive impact on almost all of his teammates.

I"m surprised to see that the impact is still slightly negative for Kyrie. I understand Kyrie excels at creating shots for himself, but he"s still a great spot-up shooter, so I expected his TS% to rise with LeBron. Any thoughts?

之前做了個威少的圖，大家好像都因喜歡的，都想要我做個詹姆斯的。

大家都說上一張威少的圖樣本太少了，所以這次勒布朗的數據是從14-15賽季起的。正如大家所想的，詹姆斯對幾乎所有隊友的真實命中率都有極大的提升。

我比較驚訝的是勒布朗對歐文的影響是負面的。我本來的看法是歐文是個自己單打的好手，但同時也是個出色的定點射手，所以詹姆斯對他應該還是會有點提升的。你們怎麼看？

[–]Kyrie IrvingPiascika20 32 指標 5小時前

Kyrie is typically better with the ball in his hands and while he is a great spot up shooter he"s able to create his own shot without Lebron. I"m surprised it"s a negative though but it could be because of last year where ky was hurt

歐文是典型的有球在手更出色的球員，哪怕他的定點投籃很棒，在沒有詹姆斯的時候他依然能給自己創造出投籃的機會。當然我對這個負面影響也有點驚訝，但這也有可能是因為上賽季他的傷病影響。

[–]Raptorsburninator3343 32 指標 6小時前

Can you do one for the Warriors? Specifically with Draymond and Steph.

能給勇士也做一張嗎？尤其是格林在場是庫里的真實命中率。

[–]Cavaliersseasterbrook 5 指標 3小時前

Can"t remember where the original source was, but someone on here or twitter posted last year that Steph shot 40% with Dray off the court, and over 50% with him on it.

忘了在哪裡看到過，好像是推特還是哪兒來著，上賽季格林不在場時，庫里命中率40%，格林在場時庫里命中率超50%。

[–]HornetsYizWasHere 203 指標 6小時前

Lmao, he turns Shumpert, JR, and Frye into NBA players.

我的個天，勒布朗把香波特，JR和福來變成了NBA球員。

[–]dumbrich23 82 指標 6小時前

Smith was 6moy just 2 years before. ..

來騎士前兩年，JR已經是最佳第六人了……

[–]Raptorsraptorsbucketnator 34 指標 5小時前

And did you see the dumpster fire of a season he had after?

你看過最佳第六人之後那個賽季JR史密斯有多辣雞嗎？

[–][HOU] Tracy McGradysyash12 14 指標 4小時前

Usually what happens when the team sucks and you don"t give a fuck

通常在一支陷入僵局的球隊里，角色球員時會有這樣的情況。

[–]LakersComeoncuh 27 指標 3小時前

He was a part of that reason. He got paid to give the same production.

但他是尼克斯陷入僵局的原因之一啊。給他多少錢就是讓他打出相應的表現的。

[–]fabosexy 21 指標 6小時前

Lebron makes role players better not actual star players. There is a reason 80%+ of lbj teammates have one dimensional role like catching and shooting.

詹姆斯能讓角色球員更出色，對本身就是球星級別的隊友加成就少了很多。這就是為什麼詹姆斯生涯80%左右的隊友都有非常明確的角色，比如接球就投之類的。

[–]76ersvox124 8 指標 6小時前

I bet Korver"s will keep going up through to the end of the year

我打賭隨著賽季的深入，科沃爾的這項數據還會上升。

[–][TOR] Bismack BiyomboSon_of_Biyombo 8 指標 4小時前

I wanna see this with the Cavs team in 07 and what he did with Varejao"s numbers

我想看看07年騎士的數據，詹姆斯對瓦萊喬的數據有多大的加成。

[–]LakersHypeNinja0121 77 指標 6小時前

Interesting how Kyrie went down. I guess that"s what happens when you run too many isos lol

歐文有所下滑，因吹斯聽。我猜大部分單打型球員和詹姆斯搭檔都會這樣。

[–]ThunderIMdwwad 59 指標 6小時前

his ftr might go down with lebron on the floor

詹姆斯在場時，歐文的罰球率可能有所下滑。

[–][CLE] Milt PalacioPtP_Pluto 11 指標 3小時前

His ftr is shit with or without LeBron. He"s always near the bottom of the league in ftr among the top 30 drivers.

歐文的罰球率即使沒有詹姆斯也一樣很低。作為聯盟前30的控球好手，歐文的罰球率向來都是聯盟食物鏈底層的存在。

[–][CLE] Kyrie Irvingcalebkeith 18 指標 5小時前

He was injured... And he"s a top ISO player.

上賽季他傷了……而且歐文是頂級的單打手（沒有詹姆斯依然能自己完成進攻）

[–][CLE] Kyrie IrvingTheClevelandPolice 13 指標 3小時前

I would go as far as to say the best ISO player in the league.

我甚至覺得歐文是聯盟最強的1對1球員。

[–]76ers23isgoat 38 指標 6小時前*

This is why it makes no sense when people penalize Kyrie for having LeBron. So many discredit Kyrie and say his stats should be better because he plays with the best player on the planet. Yeah it"s true he makes the team better, but the way Kyrie gets his buckets doesn"t depend on the gravity or passing of LeBron. Every great point guard has good teammates, so why do people penalize Kyrie for playing with LeBron? As if Curry doesn"t have Thompson and Durant, Wall doesn"t have Beal and Porter, Harden doesn"t have shooters, etc.

這就是為什麼大家因為詹姆斯去指責歐文是毫無道理的。很多人都說歐文的數據出色很大程度是得益於身邊有著最強球員詹姆斯，這就有點沒道理了。詹姆斯讓球隊變得更出色，但歐文自己進球砍分的手段，並不依賴於詹姆斯的牽扯或者是傳球。每個偉大的控衛身邊都有強勁的隊友，為什麼單單歐文要被拎出來抽插？假設庫里沒有湯普森和杜蘭特，沃爾沒有比爾和波特，哈登沒有射手群，不是一個道理嗎……

[–]Cavaliersasdfrtyuvbnm 11 指標 3小時前

Exactly this. Kyrie"s greatest skill is his isolation scoring. His greatest value to the Cavs is his ability to bail out the offense on his own if it goes to shit during to the playoffs when playing against elite defense that negate the effectiveness of role players. He may not be the most complete player and Lebron is indisputably the primary reason for the Cav"s success, but his scoring effectiveness and his clutch performance is his own work, and has little to do with his teammates.

Nice to have some numbers supporting this now.

是的。歐文的最厲害的技能包就是單打得分。他對騎士最大的價值就是他在季後賽面對精英級的防守，球隊角色球員疲於奔命的時候，歐文可以站出來靠自己的能力得分。他可能不是最全面的球員，詹姆斯可能是騎士變強的最主要原因，但歐文的得分效率和他關鍵時刻的表現是他自己的豐碑，和身邊是什麼隊友沒太多的關係。

很高興看到終於有數據可以支撐這個觀點了。

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