阿里納斯駁奧胖冠軍戒指論，美球迷怎麼看？阿杜離隊戒指原因佔多大

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阿里納斯駁奧胖冠軍戒指論，美球迷怎麼看？阿杜離隊戒指原因佔多大

Gilbert Arenas Take on the "Rings" Argument (instagram.com)

阿里納斯在Instagram上發表了關於「戒指」論

翻譯引用來自： [流言板]阿里納斯駁「無冠論」：奪冠是由老闆和總經理決定的

「我希望每一個球員都來看看這種論調！@威斯布魯克，這就是為何你應該讓你對杜蘭特的怒氣消失的原因！這種小丑論調就是球員為何離開球隊選擇追逐戒指的根本原因。如果你沒有冠軍，你作為一名球員的價值就是一堆狗屎。你的歷史地位微不足道，威少某一天也會這樣離開，因為媒體會一直像攻擊卡梅羅那樣攻擊威少。

「讓我們來捋一捋，一個總冠軍根本無法定義你的出色與否，總冠軍的成功是由老闆和總經理決定的，他們有在為了冠軍而打造球隊嗎？還是說他們只是為了闖進季後賽？關於總冠軍戒指的錯覺真是太不真實了，球員是總經理挑選的，教練也是，當球隊無法贏球時，主教練會下課，好像不是總經理的錯一樣。

「這讓我想起了昨天看到的一個段子：

教練：給我球員 總經理：諾，這裡。

教練：慢著慢著慢著，這是什麼？不夠啊 總經理：不夠你讓他夠。

教練：日尼瑪。

過去26個總冠軍，只有10支球隊奪冠，其中3支是換了新老闆之後（2000年的庫班，2011年小牛奪冠；2010年的勇士，2015年奪冠；2005年的丹-吉爾伯特，2016年奪冠）奪冠，不算這3支，只剩下7支。

湖人，凱爾特人，活塞，公牛，熱火，馬刺，火箭，其中有2支自從90年代以來再也沒奪過冠（公牛和火箭），你拋開這2個不談，加一起8個總冠軍，加上換新老闆的3個，一共11個總冠軍。2000年開始，奪冠的都是湖人、湖人、湖人、馬刺、活塞、馬刺、熱火、馬刺、凱爾特人、湖人、湖人、熱火、熱火、馬刺，5支球隊包攬了14個冠軍，只有3支是非常非常出色才脫穎而出的，沙克也是其中一些球隊的一份子。這顯示了，只有很少的球隊才能抵達奪冠的位置。其餘的球隊都在努力嘗試著爭取。所以，如果你是一個不在馬刺勇士或勒布朗球隊的球員，那麼從媒體的角度來看，你就是在那裡浪費自己的歷史地位，你的上限也只有天花板那麼高。

「不是每個人都那麼幸運可以被一個真正懂籃球而非只做生意，連球隊所有人都不認識的老闆選中的。」

[–]CavaliersYourMajesty90 676 指標 1 天前*

One point that Gil makes alot that I find interesting is this: not every team is interested in competing for rings. Despite what they say to the media you just have to look at their actions to realise they"re more interested in profits and just content with making the playoffs than actually competing.

Even the "rebuilding teams" with a bunch of rookie contracts and barely above the salary floor lol.

阿里納斯說的有一點我覺得很有趣：並不是每支球隊都對爭冠是有興趣的。 儘管他們對媒體說是會說，但你得看他們的實際行動，那些球隊對利潤更感興趣，只是滿意打進季後賽，而不是真正地去競爭。

即使是「重建的球隊」，擁有一大堆新秀合同，薪金才剛剛超過窮人線，笑尿了。

[–]gaga_booboo 267 指標 1 天前

This is my biggest fear with the Knicks. Keep promoting false hope, while hiking up the prices and raking in the cash.

這就是我對尼克斯最大的擔憂。一直一邊做著虛假的（爭冠）承諾，一邊漲價賺錢。

[–]KnicksBlueBlurX 163 指標 1 天前

Dolan actually wants to win, that"s why he let Phil handle everything. He"s a huge basketball fan. But he"s a bad owner so it hasn"t worked out for us.

尼蜜：多蘭實際上是想贏球的，這就是為什麼他會讓禪師來處理所有事。他自己是個狂熱的籃球迷，但他是很糟糕的老闆，所以我泥怎麼都不成器。

[–]dailycrossover 55 指標 1 天前

He hired Phil more as a person to take blame and become a bridge between he and the fans. Remember, people were ready to boycott Dolan but he ended up hiring Phil.

多蘭僱傭禪師是來背鍋的， 然後禪師成為了他和球迷之間的聯繫橋樑。記住，人們曾都要聯合抵制多蘭了，但是他最終選擇僱傭了禪師。

[–]BullsHamiltonianc 350 指標 1 天前

Lol, one of the first comments is "you just mad because you never won a title".....only proves Arenas" point.

笑尿了，下面有條網友評論是「 你不爽是因為你從沒奪過冠」。。。這不就證明了阿里納斯的觀點么。

[–]WarriorsGorillaWithAKeyboard 247 指標 1 天前

Lol he deserves a phd for the math he gets into in the middle, I couldn"t keep up

哈哈，阿里納斯中間那段寫得配得上一個博士學位了， 我都反應不過來了。

[–]THETEALSLIMSHADY 164 指標 1 天前

I couldn"t tell if it was genius or retarded, but I know I didn"t understand a word of it

我都沒法判斷這是天才傑作還是腦殘之作了， 但是我清楚我一個詞都沒看懂。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrookwestbitch0 553 指標 1 天前

Gilbert likes to joke a lot but he"s dead on right on this one

阿里納斯喜歡開玩笑，但這次真的說得太尼瑪到位了。

[–]KingsJordanFarmarsEars 147 指標 1 天前*

Yes and no. I dont think the players will respect KD"s ring as much. I think players could always fire back on KD ring chasing during the prime of his career.

Even with a ring KD couldnt reach the levels of Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Hakeem, etc. Despite comprable inpidual stats.

也對也不對。我不覺得球員會很尊重杜蘭特的戒指。 我認為球員們可以在他整個生涯里都拿他刷戒指來埋汰他。就算是有一枚冠軍戒指，杜蘭特也到不了沙克，科比，鄧肯，勒布朗，大夢等人的級別。無論他們之間的個人數據比較是怎樣的。

[–]Lakersnochill95 452 指標 1 天前

People said the same thing about Lebron and now everyone is Sucking his dick.

人們在勒布朗奪冠之前也說過同樣的話，但現在所有人都在跪舔他28.

[–]LakersLou-Peachum 32 指標 1 天前

Before that series, everyone still hated Lebron. In the past 6 years, I don"t think his team was ever considered the underdog. Only last year, when they were going against the "best regular season" Warriors, were they considered underdogs. Him winning as an "underdog," especially being down 3-1, is what made people like him.

在那個系列賽之前，所有人都還在黑勒布朗。 過去6年里，我不覺得勒布朗的球隊有過不被看好的時候。只有在去年，他們面對的是「史上最強的常規賽球隊」勇士，勒布朗的球隊才被認為是不被看好的一方。而勒布朗作為「下狗」奪冠，特別是在1-3落後下翻盤，這才是他吸粉的原因。

[–]PistonsAhzmosis 142 指標 1 天前

I also don"t think the main reason KD left was ringz. I"m not KD so I can"t definitively tell you why, but I"ll give you 4 reasons why I think he did it.

1) I think he was sick of playing with Westbrook. Westbrook is an amazing player, but I think he was getting a little tired of Westbrook taking more shots than Durant (at a lower percentage) when Durant was the better player. Westbrook has way too many possessions when he doesn"t make 1 pass.

2) This goes along with the Westbrook thing, but I don"t think he particularly liked OKC"s system. There wasn"t very good ball movement, and it obviously featured a lot of ISO. I think he saw Golden State"s system of free-wheeling, ball-whizzing offense and wanted to be a part of that.

3) The Bay Area: The dude is a single, 28-year old multi-millionaire superstar... and he"s lived in Oklahoma his entire career. I think he wanted to go to a big city, live it up a bit. I"ve never been to California, but I have a few friends who live in San Fran and absolutely love it. There"s definitely more "things to do" than in OKC. And I"m not trying to take a shot at OKC at all, I"m sure it"s a fantastic city. But you can definitely see where KD might be coming from.

4) Friends/Draymond: It didn"t seem like KD and Westbrook were super good friends off the court. I think KD and Draymond obviously hit it off during the Olympics I think that definitely made a difference. I think he saw how the Warriors seemed to be super buddy-buddy and he hit it off with Draymond, and wanted to be a part of that.

我也不認為阿杜離隊的主要原因是為了戒指。但我不是阿杜，我沒法告訴你阿杜離隊的真正原因，我只能說說我自己這麼想的4個理由。

1. 阿杜已經厭倦了在威少身邊打球。威少是很吊炸天的球員，但我覺得阿杜已經對威少用更低的命中率出手更多累覺不愛了，因為 阿杜才是更強的球員。威少有太多的一次傳球都不幹的回合了。

2.這一點還是與威少有關，但我覺得阿杜並不喜歡雷霆的體系，沒有很好的球轉移，顯然主要是以大量單打為主。我認為他看到了金州勇士體系的自由流轉，球高速轉移的進攻，他想成為體系的一部分。

3.灣區： 阿杜只是個單身28歲的王老五級別的超級球星。。。他整個生涯都生活在俄克拉荷馬。我覺得他想去一個大城市，更稱心的地方。我從沒去過加州，但我有朋友住在舊金山，絕對大愛這個城市。在那能玩的活兒要比在俄村多得多啊。我並不是在貶低俄村，我很確定那也個很不錯的城市。但是你肯定可以理解阿杜是從哪兒來的人。

4.朋友/追夢：威少和阿杜看起來並不像是場外超級要好的朋友。我認為阿杜和追夢明顯在奧運期間很來電，我覺得這肯定起了重要作用。我覺得他看到了勇士要好的哥們兒氛圍，他和追夢也很來電，想成為其中一部分。

[–]SunsJenkins_Palabro_ESQ 95 指標 1 天前

(Spurs, Gs, LeBron)

The man is a franchise

（馬刺，勇士，勒布朗）

一個人代表一支球隊。

[–]Easttrump_and_durant 947 指標 1 天前*

Yup he"s got a point. Even if KD won"t say it part of the reason he left was the rings culture. If you don"t got one you ain"t shit according to the media and fans. Same thing happened with LeBron even if he was dealt a shit hand no one cared

是的，阿里納斯李菊福，就算是阿杜不會這麼說，冠軍文化也確實是他離隊的部分原因。如果你沒有一枚戒指，在媒體和球迷看來你就是沒資格bb。同樣的事情也發生過在勒布朗身上，即使當時勒布朗身邊都是戰五渣。

[–][CLE] LeBron JamesMithridates12 259 指標 1 天前

The funny thing is even though everyone saw how good LBJ was in his first few years of his career, no star would join him in Cleveland. Nowadays Lebron could play in the ruins of Aleppo and players would still want to play with him.

有意思的是，在勒布朗生涯頭幾年，雖然大家都在說勒布朗有多麼多麼強，卻沒有球星願意去加盟克里夫蘭。現今勒布朗就算在一篇廢墟中打球也照樣會有人願意去想跟他組隊打球。

[–]Pistonsdrcash360-2ndaccount 57 指標 1 天前

LeBron was ring chasing, teaming up with the 3rd best player in the league and one if the best big men. Boston did it, getting a former MVP and a superstar to team up with their superstar. The Lakers tried it in 04. You hear all the time a ring solidified a players career, like KG or J Kidd with the mavs. I think GA is on point, they say your career was nothing without a ring, look how much shit they give Ewing, Reggie and Barkley

勒布朗之前是在刷戒指，跟聯盟第3好的球員組隊，還有聯盟最好的大個子之一。波士頓也幹了，得到了一個前MVP，一個超級球星和另外一個超級球星組隊。湖人在04年也試過。 你總是在聽到一枚戒指可以奠定球員生涯的說法，像KG或者基德在小牛那樣。 我覺得阿里納斯說的有道理，他們說你若沒戒指你的生涯就一無是處，看看現在有多少人拿這點來黑尤因，米勒，巴克利。

[–]SpursDuque_Plata 84 指標 1 天前

Different culture in the league back in the 2000"s, stars wanted to try and do it themselves up until the Celtics changed the landscape.

聯盟在21世紀初的文化是完全不同的，球星們都想儘力自己扛，直到凱爾特人改變了格局。

[–]Cloudy_No_Meatballs 46 指標 1 天前

I disagree with that. Teams were doing that long before the celtics did it.

這我就不同意了。在凱爾特人三巨頭之前，很久以前就有球隊這麼干過了。

[–]HawksHornedGryffin 45 指標 22小時前*

You aren"t really portraying it fairly.

No one did like the Celtics did it. The Celtics brought in two bonafide Hall of Famers in Kevin Garnett (one of the best all time PFs) and Ray Allen (one of the best all time 3 point shooters) to play alongside Paul Pierce, the best SF in the league outside of LeBron and one of the best all time (at least top 20).

That was insane. You were taking three of the top ~25 players in the league and putting them on the same team and having to bring in two of them in the same summer.

Have people teamed up before? Sure. But the Pistons adding Rick Mahorn/Mark Aguirre/Bill Laimbeer is way different than the Celtics adding Allen/Garnett. In today"s NBA, it would be the different between a team adding Gordan Hayward/Zach Randolph/Steven Adams vs another team adding James Harden/Anthony Davis. One team is adding role players and the other is adding straight up HoF material.

Plus, the Pistons added Mahorn/Aguirre/Laimbeer over the course of like 3 or 4 seasons. I think Mahorn was 1985, then Laimbeer is 88, and Aguirre in 89. But it was definitely not in single calendar year, much less a summer.

你這麼說並不公平。

以前沒有人像凱爾特人這麼干過，凱爾特人為皮爾斯招來的可是兩位實打實的名人堂球員，加內特（史上最好的大前鋒之一）， 雷阿倫（史上最好的三分射手之一), 皮爾斯當時也是勒布朗之外聯盟最好的小前鋒，本身也是歷史最偉大球員之一（至少top20）。

這太逆天了，這等於是把聯盟前25球員里拿走3個放在一個隊里，而且是在同一個夏天一下弄來2個。

之前是否有人抱團過？ 當然有，但活塞當年引入的里克-馬洪/馬克-阿奎爾/比爾-蘭比爾，這跟招來阿倫/加內特是完全不同的兩碼事。 在現今NBA做比較的話，這等於是一個球隊加入海沃德/蘭多夫/亞當斯 VS 另一個球隊加入哈登/濃眉。一支球隊加入的是角色球員，而另外一支直接就加入的是名人堂級別的。

而且活塞當年是在3-4個賽季中陸續引入的馬洪/阿奎爾/蘭比爾，我記得馬洪是1985年去的，蘭比爾是88年，阿奎爾是89年。 這絕對不是在同一年完成的，更不用說是在同一個夏天完成的引援。

[–][MIA] Hassan WhitesideBigShotBosh 26 指標 1 天前

Yup, just give it time. Right now Russell is living easy off of the Durant hate and the loyalty, but sooner or later expectations are going to turn into vitriol for him

是的，讓時間來說話吧。現在因為杜蘭特招黑和忠誠，威少的日子是悠閑自在，但是遲早（冠軍）期望值會讓輿論對他也變得刻薄起來。

[–]gatom2020 12 指標 1 天前

He isn"t wrong. The organization above the players has a lot to do with it.

他沒說錯，（奪冠）更多是跟球隊組織有關係，高於球員個人。

[–][CHI] Tony Snelljor301 13 指標 1 天前

He"s spot on when he states championships are won by owners and GMs

阿里納斯的觀點很到位，冠軍是由老闆和總經理贏來的。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryantjkrain32 11 指標 1 天前

He makes a lot of good points but I don"t think we can just say rings don"t hold any weight. Like shaq, Jordan, Lebron..all these guys won rings largely because they were/are so freaking good.

阿里納斯的很多觀點很贊，但我們不能說冠軍戒指沒有任何份量。像沙克，喬丹，勒布朗。。。這些球員奪冠很大原因是因為他們太尼瑪強了。

[–]Toronto Huskieshp_deskjet10 7 指標 1 天前

Teams win championships. Guys like Lebron, Shaq, Kobe and Jordan can get you to a finals but your "team" is what puts you over the top .

奪冠是要靠球隊整體的。 像勒布朗，沙克，科比和喬丹這樣的球員是能夠把你帶到總決賽，但是「球隊」的實力才是讓你登頂的關鍵。

[–]Lakerscoupdevent 8 指標 1 天前

Gil"s argument applies to most NBA players, but a very select few are indeed great enough to carry good teams to championships. NOT having won a ring doesn"t necessarily say anything conclusive about your value as a player, but having carried a good team to a championship DOES prove your value as being one of the league"s best.

阿里納斯的觀點適用於大多數NBA球員，但事實上只有很少的天選之子才足夠偉大能有能力帶隊奪冠。沒得到一枚冠軍戒指並不能決定性地說明你作為一名球員的價值，但是帶領一支出色的球隊奪冠確實能證明你作為聯盟精英一員的價值。

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