統治攻防！本賽季倫納德已超越巔峰羅斯和甜瓜？|巔峰甜瓜到底多強？

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統治攻防！本賽季倫納德已超越巔峰羅斯和甜瓜？|巔峰甜瓜到底多強？

Is Kawhi Leonard already better than Prime Melo or MVP Rose OFFENSIVELY ?

進攻而論，科懷-倫納德是否已經超越巔峰甜瓜和MVP賽季羅斯？

Stats Per 100 Poss.

Kawhi Leonard

2016/17 - 39.3 Pts , 61.7 TS% , 5.0 Ast (20 games left)

2015/16 - 32.8 Pts , 61.6 TS% , 4.0 Ast

Carmelo Anthony

2012/13 - 41.4 Pts , 56.0 TS% , 3.7 Ast

2013/14 - 37.7 Pts , 56.1 TS% , 4.3 Ast

Derrick Rose

2010/11 - 35.6 Pts , 55.0 TS% , 10.9 Ast

2011/12 - 33.4 Pts , 53.2 TS% , 12.0 Ast (played 39 games)

每100回合數據

科懷-倫納德

2016/17賽季 - 39.3分, 真實命中率61.7% , 5.0助攻 (賽季剩餘20場比賽)

2015/16賽季 - 32.8分, 真實命中率 61.6% , 4.0助攻

卡梅羅-安東尼

2012/13賽季 - 41.4分, 真實命中率56.0% , 3.7助攻

2013/14賽季 - 37.7分, 真實命中率56.1% , 4.3助攻

德里克-羅斯

2010/11賽季 - 35.6分 , 真實命中率55.0% , 10.9助攻

2011/12賽季 - 33.4分 , 真實命中率53.2% , 12.0助攻 (參加了39場比賽)

[–][LAL] Nick Youngasharifa24 103 指標 15小時前

Really underrating Prime Melo

巔峰瓜被低估了

[–]BucksBlakeGarrison62 21 指標 14小時前

His jumpshot was just smooth af

他曾有絲滑的跳投

[–]HastingsofBrent 8 指標 14小時前

Still is

現在依然有

[–][NYK] Kristaps Porzingisearl_smith_thethird 21 指標 14小時前

The league is also different. There are 33 players averaging 20 points per game or more this season. In 2012 there were 9.

The league plays differently, the floor is spaced differently, etc. A straight comparison that doesn"t take into account the differences in how the league played will always be unfair to the players in the past.

時代不同了，本賽季有33名球員場均得分20+，而在2012年，只有9名達到這一數據。

聯盟整體打法、球場上的空間等等都在改變，任何不把聯盟變化的因素計算在內的直接比較，對於過去的球員都是不公平的。

[–]HastingsofBrent 7 指標 14小時前

Kawhi is not at his level offensively

科懷在進攻上並沒達到安東尼的水準

[–][SAS] Tim DuncanshawshankCWL 8 指標 14小時前

Maybe not career wise, but I"d argue this season he is

整個生涯來說可能達不到，但是我認為這賽季有的一拼。

[–]HastingsofBrent 9 指標 14小時前

Obviously you would but I don"t see it, I love Kawhi though but I don"t think he faces the same defensive attention Melo did, he can"t take the same shots and I would like to see Kawhi in a team less regimented and drilled then a Spurs team. Despite their change to PnRs and more iso, the principles of Spurs ball movement is still there. Kawhi gets a lot of good open looks

我可不這麼看，我愛科懷-倫納德但是我不認為他在進攻端受到了和甜瓜一樣的待遇，他可命中不了安東尼的那些投籃，我很想看到如果倫納德處在一隻不像馬刺這麼訓練有素的隊伍里會有什麼表現。儘管他們擋拆上有變化，並且增加了單打，但是馬刺轉移球的原則還在，倫納德在其中得到了很多好的出手機會。

[–]SpursTheCalvinator 10 指標 14小時前

Wow, this comment is something else. If teams aren"t giving most of their defensive attention to the guy averaging 26 points a game then they should seriously rethink their strategy.

Despite their change to PnRs and more iso, the principles of Spurs ball movement is still there. Kawhi gets a lot of good open looks

This just isn"t even true. Kawhi is assisted on less than 40% of his two point shots and isos constantly. He creates his shot and can score from anywhere on the floor in numerous ways.

哇哦，樓上的評論很濕乎乎，如果一個球隊沒有把防守注意力放在一個場均26分的球員身上，那麼他們應該認真地反省一下自己的策略了。

「儘管他們擋拆上有變化，並且增加了單打，但是馬刺轉移球的原則還在，倫納德在其中得到了很多好的出手機會。」

這根本不是真的，科懷-倫納德的兩分球受助攻率還不到40%，並且他單打很多。他能自己創造投籃機會並且以n多方式從球場上任意位置得分。

[–]Warriorshurtcobaine 11 指標 14小時前

Kawhi is assisted on less than 40% of his two point shots and isos constantly.

Melo this year scored 291 points from ISOs on 44.9%efg. Compared to 135 on 42.1%efg from Kawhi. And Melo is obviously having a down year.

He creates his shot and can score from anywhere on the floor in numerous ways.

No one"s arguing Kawhi hasn"t developed into a great scorer but Melo is a better pure offensive player

「科懷-倫納德的兩分球受助攻率還不到40%，並且他單打很多。」

安東尼今年單打得到291分，有效命中率44.9%。作為對比，科懷單打得到135分，有效命中率42.1%。並且這發生在安東尼今年狀態明顯下滑的情況下。

「他能自己創造投籃機會並且以N多方式從球場上任意位置得分。」

沒人質疑倫納德已經躋身偉大得分手的行列這件事，但安東尼是一個更好的純進攻球員。

[–][NYK] Lance ThomasZenenx 72 指標 15小時前*

Prime Melo scored 50 on the Miami heat on only jumpshots.

巔峰瓜僅用跳投就在邁阿密熱火頭上拿了50分。（註：2013年4月3日）

[–][MIA] Mario ChalmersLaMarc_GasolDridge 22 指標 15小時前

On terrific defenders like Bosh and Battier too. Every shot was wet. Like 0 in the paint. Nothing to do about that.

而且這還是在非常不錯的防守人波什和巴蒂爾頭上得的，每一球都美如畫，好像禁區得分是0。但你根本對他毫無辦法。

[–][NYK] Lance ThomasZenenx 10 指標 15小時前

He cooked every single person they put on him,he wasn"t having none of it. Every shot he made he stared down Lebron and Wade on the bench,it was hilarious.

他把每一個被安排去防守他的人都打爆了，感覺就像他們不存在一樣。每進一球他都瞪一眼板凳上的詹姆斯和韋德（註：該場比賽詹韋沒有出戰），很有趣的一幕。

[–]HastingsofBrent 2 指標 14小時前

He lived on abusing Battier.

他簡直將巴蒂爾生吞活剝了。

[–][WAS] Darius Songailablast0ise 49 指標 15小時前

Prime Melo was a different kind of player offensively. He could pretty much do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted

巔峰瓜在進攻端是獨一無二的存在，他能在任何時間做任何他想做的事。

[–]NBAyoungcoco 5 指標 14小時前

People have to remember that Kawhi is playing for maybe the greatest coach of all time in Popovich, in a system designed to create highly efficient scoring. Melo never had that luxury.

你必須記得科懷-倫納德是在格雷格-「可能是歷史最佳教練」-波波維奇設計的高效得分體系里打球，而安東尼從未享受過這樣的奢侈。

[–][WAS] Darius Songailablast0ise 7 指標 14小時前

kawhi is better at making plays for others and is also just a better decision maker and shot selector

Don"t you think this has a lot to do with the Spurs system? I don"t disagree with your comment of course, offense should include all aspects but I do think that if Melo was in Kawhi"s position on the spurs, the gap in passing, decision making and shot selecting wouldn"t be as visible or big

「科懷-倫納德在為隊友創造得分機會方面表現得更好，並且他總是做出最好的判斷和進攻選擇。」

你不認為這也得益於馬刺的體系嗎？我同意你的觀點，進攻應包含所有方面，但是如果把卡梅羅-安東尼放到馬刺，他跟倫納德在處理球和投籃選擇方面的差距不會很大甚至不會被注意到。

[–]TimberwolvesLeFamilyMan 11 指標 14小時前

frankly i think the "spurs system" has become sort of a meme to discredit players like kawhi. he basically is their system this season. everything they do revolves around his talents. so in some sense yes, he benefits from having a team who can maximize his strengths, but OTOH, it"s not like he"s playing with an elite supporting cast, just a fairly solid one. he carries them pretty hard.

老實講我覺得使用類似「馬刺體系」這種詞已經成為人們用來貶低像科懷-倫納德這樣的球員的常用套路了。我認為這賽季他本身就可以稱得上是他們的「體系」了，他們是圍繞著倫納德的天賦打球的。所以某種程度上，他確實受益於一直能最大化發揮他能力的隊伍，但是平胸而論，他身後的陣容並不華麗，只是一套中規中矩強度的罷了，他還是挺費勁的在拖著他們前進的。

[–][NYK] Chris Copelandbootum 25 指標 15小時前

sometimes i feel like melo is underrated, but then i look in the comments in threads like these, and he"s also overrated at the same time

有時候我覺得甜瓜是被低估的，然而我看了這種貼里各位Jr的評論之後又覺得他同時也在被高估。

[–][MIA] Mario ChalmersLaMarc_GasolDridge 37 指標 15小時前

Carmelo is one of the more talented offensive players at that position ever. In terms of repertoire, No.

卡梅羅在進攻上是最有天賦的小前鋒之一，但是在全能方面，不是。

[–][SAS] Tim DuncanshawshankCWL 12 指標 15小時前

I don"t know why people think Melo is that much better than Leonard. They are both iso monsters but Leonard (this season) is actually more efficient than Melo ever was while still averaging 26 points. The spurs starting 5 offense literally relies on Leonard bailing them out on the majority of their possessions. His offense is not a product of the system like some people tend to think.

我不知道為什麼人們會認為卡梅羅-安東尼比倫納德強得多。他們都是單打怪，但倫納德（本賽季）比甜瓜任何一季都高效，同時又保持26的場均得分。馬刺首發的進攻很多時候幾乎完全倚仗倫納德一人盤活。他並不是有些人所謂的體系進攻球員。

[–]suphater 11 指標 14小時前

It"s a popularity contest. Look how poorly the reasoning is in the top comments. Denver traded Melo and immediately went from the league"s 15th best team to the 6th best team despite Gallinari missing half the season.

這就是個球迷數量的比賽。看看上面評論里的乾貨有多匱乏吧。丹佛掘金在交易安東尼之後立刻從聯盟第十五的球隊躥升到聯盟第六，儘管當時加里納利缺席了一半的賽季。

[–]Lakerstoldyaso 9 指標 15小時前

Per 100 possessions is not the be-all, end-all way of looking at it.

I don"t think Kawhi is quite as good at creating offense out of thin air as Melo was. I also think Kawhi has benefited from better team mates than either of those two had in their prime.

I"d say Melo at peak was probably a bit better on offense than Kawhi, though the marign is now probably razor thin. And with Rose, in his MVP season he was probably offensively more potent than Kawhi, but again, the margin is pretty slight.

「每100回合數據」並不能完全說明問題。

不認為科懷-倫納德在嚴密防守下的進攻水平能和安東尼相提並論。同時我認為倫納德從隊友那兒得到的幫助比另外兩位都多。

我想說的是，巔峰甜瓜的進攻比倫納德好一點，但是有限。至於羅斯，他的MVP賽季進攻表現要比倫納德更強，不過優勢仍然不大。

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