海量高階數據乾貨！DPOY競爭對比，倫納德vs追夢vs戈貝爾

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海量高階數據乾貨！DPOY競爭對比，倫納德vs追夢vs戈貝爾

A defensive comparison of Gobert/Draymond/Kawhi

對魯迪-戈貝爾/德雷蒙德-格林/科懷-倫納德的防守比較

[–][SAS] Manu Ginobilithejuan 459 指標 1 天前*

Kawhi doesn"t deserve it this year, he"s been using maybe 50-70% as much energy on the defensive end as last year. Devoting nearly everything to the offensive end.

科懷配不上今年的最佳防守球員稱號。他今年大概只用了去年防守端的五到7成的能量。他幾乎在進攻端投入了一切。

[–]New Jersey NetsKashMoney941 303 指標 1 天前

Kawhi doesn"t deserve it this year, he"s been using maybe 50-70% as much energy on the defensive end as last year.

Which is crazy because he"s still defending at all-nba levels from the eye test. Just shows how insane the standard he set for himself previously. Yes, the analytics still arent in his favor, but he"s still the most feared guy out on the perimeter in the league

「科懷配不上今年的最佳防守球員稱號。他今年大概只用了去年防守端的五到7成的能量。」

但是令人感到驚訝的是，他仍然有著全聯盟最頂尖的防守能力，在這個充斥著眼神防守的聯盟。這只是證明了他之前給自己定下的防守標準是多麼的不可思議。是的，數據分析並不對他有利，但是他仍然是聯盟中最讓人膽寒的防守者。

[–][SAS] Manu Ginobilithejuan 84 指標 1 天前

I still think he"s doing great, but there is some slippage from what I"ve seen. He"s definitely a little more cautious and doesn"t want to get caught fouling as much. I mean, it hasn"t been an issue, I think he"s only fouled out once ever. Anyways, he is saving his more intensive defense for 4th quarters or when it is necessary.

我仍然覺得他在防守端的工作做的很棒，但是在我看來確實相比上賽季有所下滑了。他絕對是一個小心謹慎的防守者，而且並不想過多地被吹罰犯規。我的意思是，這並不是一個問題，他可能只被罰出場過一次。不管怎麼說，他在留力為了第四節的防守，或者說是關鍵時刻的防守。

[–]SpursBoom9001 45 指標 1 天前

Kawhi has not changed the amount of fouls he"s had any season. So I don"t see it as being cautious or saving for end. He"s just not had a good rim protector after all previous years having a all-time great. It prevents you from being as aggressive because you know if you press and the guy goes around you it"s a gimme 2. Which in past he knew TD would prevent a good amount or give him time to recover. Same goes for DG, using Dedmon completely changes this and they look elite again but there is still inexperience there compared to TD.

科懷的賽季犯規次數一直沒有太大變化。所以我認為並不是說他謹慎了或者說他在為後期留力。只是他在過去幾個賽季一直有一個歷史最佳的護框大個（鄧肯）在身邊，而現在他失去了。這使你的防守無法那樣有侵略性，因為你知道一旦對方對掉你，就是到手的2分了。過去他知道鄧肯能阻止絕大多數這種球，或者給自己掙得足夠的時間去補位。這同樣適用于丹尼格林。當戴德蒙上場時，這會改變一些現狀，他們看上去又有了精英一般德防守，但是和鄧肯比起來，戴德蒙還是缺乏經驗。

[–]Celticsmmboston 10 指標 1 天前

The couple games I watched, Pau looks awful on the floor defensively. I sure as hell wouldn"t gamble as much if my Center is giving up baskets like that

我看了一些比賽，加索爾的護框看起來太糟糕了。我非常肯定，如果我的中鋒像這樣放棄籃筐，我不會在他身上下賭注的。

[–]Warriorsmanisier 24 指標 23小時前

You don"t need stats to tell you that fewer people shoot against Kawhi than Harden, and that Westbrook doesn"t like to contest shots haha

你根本不需要數據來告訴你，面對科懷選擇出手的人比面對哈登選擇出手的人數要少的多。而且威斯布魯克不喜歡干擾後的投籃哈哈哈。

[–][SAS] Tim DuncanshawshankCWL 54 指標 1 天前

While I do agree Draymond/Gobert should win it over Kawhi this season, I do think that Kawhi still puts a lot effort defensively to help the Spurs. Its just harder for him to have as much defensive impact this year with Parker and Gasol (mostly this season) in the starting lineup.

是的我同意追夢/戈貝爾應該贏得今年的DPOY，不過今年科懷仍然在防守端很大程度地幫助了馬刺。只是對於他來說，他很難在防守端有更大的影響力了，因為首發中有帕克和加索爾（本賽季絕大多數時候）

[–]NBAKlayLaFlame 322 指標 1 天前

If you"re going to show fg% at the rim, why not show fg% off the dribble or spot-up? The bottom stats seem biased toward Gobert

如果你想展現你在籃筐附近的投籃命中率，那為什麼不展現運球後的投籃命中率和定點投籃命中率呢？這些基礎數據好像偏向戈貝爾那一邊。

[–]Warriorsphonage_aoi 53 指標 1 天前

Defensive stats in general favor post-players. In fact a good wing defender"s best stat is often FGAs not FG%, since it takes into account how often he denies them the ball or forces them away from their favorite spots.

While for a post-player low FGA may just mean someone drove the lane and dished for a slam, so no one looks at a it.

防守數據總是偏愛內線球員。事實上一個好的側翼防守球員最好的數據是投籃出手數而不是投籃命中率。因為投籃出手數記錄了他有多大的能力去防下對方或者迫使對方遠離喜愛的投籃點。

對於內線球員來說，投籃出手數可能只意味著有些人快速從罰球區衝到籃下然後完成了一個扣籃，根本沒有人看這些的。

[–]Warriorskris_takahashi 191 指標 1 天前

Draymond is also 2nd in the league in deflections.

Including more perimeter oriented stats would highlight his versatility over the other two.

追夢在阻斷傳球數上依舊是聯盟中防守端第二出色的。

算上更多的中間數據，會更加體現出他比其他兩個更多才多藝。

[–][DET] Chauncey BillupsHalbridious 118 指標 1 天前

Really hard to get anything out of this chart when most of the stats are heavily weighted for interior defense.

Kawhi"s still the best perimeter defender in the NBA.

Gobert has fully claimed the title of best interior defender.

Draymond is my DPOY because he"s absolutely elite at both.

真的很難從這個絕大多數數據對內線防守者有利的表格中獲取到什麼信息。

科懷仍然是NBA中最好的外線防守者。

戈貝爾是NBA中最好的內線防守者。

但是追夢是我選擇的DPOY，因為他在內外線都有著絕對精英級別的防守。

[–][LAL] Smush Parkerdonniedarkoo 94 指標 1 天前

Gobert is such a beast. He"s going to be a dominant force in the playoffs. One thing about Draymond this doesn"t show is how well the Warriors defense has adapted since Durant went down. 99.8 defensive rating since Durant went down which I think is impressive. Although Gobert may be more deserving, Draymond will get it for the narrative (essentially getting it for his last three years). Dryaymond is a great choice regardless. Just depends whether you think versatility is better than being elite at one thing. Gobert will definitely win multiple DPOYs in the years to come so I"m cool with it.

戈貝爾就是一頭野獸，他會在季後賽中成為有統治力的球員。有一件關於追夢格林的失去沒有被提及，就是勇士的防守很完美地適應了杜蘭特的缺席。在杜蘭特倒下後，勇士仍然擁有99.8的防守效率讓人印象深刻。雖然可能戈貝爾更配得上這個DPOY，但是追夢會因為人們的褒獎而獲得最終的DPOY的（因為過去三年的出色表現）。格林毫無疑問是一個很好的選擇。這取決於你是否認為多方面的優秀要優於單方面的精英水平。戈貝爾絕對會在未來幾年贏下幾個DPOY的，所以我認為沒事（如果格林獲得DPOY）

[–]WarriorsXgatt 43 指標 1 天前

I don"t think it"s merely for the narrative with Draymond. He has the ability to energize every player on his team to play better defense when he"s on the court. There"s a method of categorizing employee impact in a workplace, called Adders (McAddo, Clark, etc.), Subtractors (Varejao), Multipliers (Draymond, Curry, Lebron, Harden, et al), and piders (can"t think of an NBA example).

我不認為這只是對追夢格林的褒獎。當他在場時，他有能力去激勵隊伍里的每個球員打出更好的防守。這裡有一種對員工在工作場所的影響力的分類方法，稱為加法因子（麥卡杜，克拉克等），減法因子（瓦萊喬），乘法因子（格林，庫里，勒布朗，哈登等），和除法因子（想不到一個NBA的案例） 除法是猜的，不懂。

Draymond is a ridiculous multiplier for the entire team when he"s locked in. He not just brings the energy himself but keeps coaching others on the court as the game is going on. I think warriors owe this entire ongoing win streak to Draymond turning that Philly game around, when they were at the cusp of losing 4 in a row and getting demoralized.

格林對於全隊來說是一個不可思議的乘法因子，當他融入的時候。他不但能帶來自己的能量，還能引導場上比賽的人。我認為勇士隊有這一波連勝得歸功于格林逆轉了76人的那場比賽，那個時候他們經歷了一波4連敗且情緒低落。

[–]JazzMysticStryker 29 指標 1 天前

Can someone explain to me why the stats this season is so disfavoring Kawhi Leonard? Whenever I see him play this season, he seems pretty locked in on defense. Not the same as previous years, but with the eye test, he"s still one of the best despite carrying the offensive load this year.

有人能給我解釋一下為什麼這個賽季的數據一點也不支持科懷-倫納德？這個賽季當我看他打球的時候，他看上去都很融入到防守中去。雖然不如過去幾個賽季，但是通過目測，他還是聯盟中最優秀的幾個防守者之一，儘管今年他又挑起了進攻的重擔。

[–][DET] Chauncey BillupsHalbridious 49 指標 1 天前

The Dubs" high-paced defense also creates a lot of their offense. You can"t have one without another. Draymond"s ability to defend, switch any position, rebound, and instantly start the break revolutionized that team. You can"t knock a defensive player because his offensive teammates are good.

這些哥們的高質量的防守也對他們的進攻有很大貢獻。他們互相依賴。追夢格林的防守能力，換位防守，籃板，和下快攻的能力改變了勇士隊。你不能限制住這樣一位善於防守的球員，因為他的進攻性隊友很棒。

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