美球迷熱議勇士核心陣容能維持幾年？未來克萊的合同是關鍵

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美球迷熱議勇士核心陣容能維持幾年？未來克萊的合同是關鍵

How long can the Warriors afford their team? (self.nba)

勇士還能承擔球隊多久的薪水？

With Durant and Curry both likely signing large deals in the next year or two, how long can the warriors keep it up?

杜蘭特和庫里在今後一兩年內都很可能簽下數額巨大的合同，那麼勇士還能保持球隊的核心多久呢？

[–]Pelicans BandwagonDredeuced 544 指標 4 天前

They probably make their decision when Klay"s contract comes up in 2 years. It"s a matter of if they"re willing to max both Draymond and Klay (Curry and KD are obvious) and, if they do choose both, how long they"re willing to be in the tax.

勇士也許會在兩年後克萊的合同到期時去做出最終的決定，關鍵在於他們是否想要同時給格林和克萊頂薪（顯然庫里和KD會拿到頂薪），以及如果他們選擇同時給出頂薪，勇士又願意付多久的奢侈稅。

[–]WarriorsGhostTiger 231 指標 4 天前

Best answer so far.

For now it all hinges on what KD is willing to take/give up. He sounds flexible so far, which means we can keep Ig at least.

Next decision point is, as you say, Klays contract.

勇蜜：目前為止最好的答案。

而現在都取決於杜蘭特願意拿/放棄多少薪水，而現在他的立場一直都很靈活，這也意味著最起碼我們能留下伊戈達拉了。

下一步決定的關鍵點就是，正如你說的，克萊的合同究竟有多大。

[–]Warriorshoffmanmclaunsky 278 指標 4 天前

I think GS will be willing to go deep into the tax to keep this core together as long as possible. At this rate, GS is becoming one of the most valuable brands in sports. It might be worth it for the team to spend big on keeping that growth high.

我認為勇士願意交巨額的奢侈稅去儘可能長久的保留自己的核心。在現在這個時間點上，金州勇士已經成為體育界中最有價值的品牌之一了。所以球隊花巨額資金去保留這個高增長趨勢很可能是值得的。

[–]WarriorsGhostTiger 184 指標 4 天前

No question about it, with the new arena opening etc. This team is built to stay together til it HAS to fall apart, and Lacob seems to understand his role.

The only real variables are what players will sacrifice and what ever weird shit happens on the court. Which NO ONE can control

But you can"task for a better recipe for a 3-4 year dominant dynasty, but even the best recipes sometimes fall flat in the oven.

毫無疑問是值得的，加上新的場館馬上就要開放等等。這支球隊就是為團結在一起而建立的，除非到了必須得分開的時候，而萊科布顯然知道自己的角色。

唯一的變數就是球員們願意為此犧牲多少，以及球場上是否會發生一些無法預料到的事情。沒人能控制這些東西。

但是你不能要求一件比3~4年極具統治力王朝更棒的事情了，就算是最棒的菜譜，有時候也會在烤箱中被烤焦。

[–]WarriorsDraymondsPeen 154 指標 4 天前

2 more years for klay, 3 more years for dray. bird rights on curry this year.

We could keep them all, but it"s unlikely we"re maxing/near maxing 4

勇蜜：克萊的合同還有2年，格林還有3年，今年勇士有庫里的鳥權。

我們可以把他們全留下，但是我們不太可能給這四個人全部頂薪，就算是接近頂薪也不太可能。

[–][DAL] Yogi FerrellSTKASRO 68 指標 4 天前

it"s weird, they"re a team where they look like they just have a bunch of fun together. Like I genuinely have doubts they will chase the money because they look like best buds. One of the "super teams" I think will be in the league for a while.

這很奇怪，勇士這支球隊看上去大家在一起打球過得非常開心，就好像我真的懷疑他們會去追逐金錢和大合同，因為他們看上去像是最好的兄弟。我認為他們是一支會在聯盟里存在很長時間的「超級球隊」。

[–]RaptorsQaebuuz 41 指標 4 天前

People said that about Miami. Things change in a heartbeat.

當初人們也是這樣說熱火的，然而事情在一瞬間就分崩離析了。

[–]WarriorsVampireBatman 17 指標 4 天前

It was a real heatbeat alright.

確實就只是一瞬間的事兒。

[–][NYK] Amar"e Stoudemiresomeonesavetheknicks 11 指標 4 天前

I"m sure the FO will give as much money as possible to their big 4. No way they break up the dynasty.

However, what I think will be interesting is the drive that this team will have going forward. LeBron said it during his Heat years that the motivation to keep winning wore the team down in its later years. All it takes is one of those guys (Klay IMO) to think there"s something bigger for them and sign elsewhere.

With that being said, I"m sure these guys will stay for as long as humanly possible lol

我很確信勇士管理層會花足夠多的錢去留下他們的四巨頭，他們不可能去拆散這個王朝。

但是，我感到有興趣的事情在於這支球隊向前的動力將會來自何方。勒布朗在他熱火的時光里說過，在球隊後期的日子裡，總是想一直贏球的動機使他們精疲力盡。王朝崩坍只需要四巨頭中的一個（我覺得是克萊）認為他們還有更多的東西值得去追求，並和其他的球隊簽下了合同。

儘管說了這麼多，我還是很確信這些傢伙會在人類所能接受的範圍內儘可能長久的在一起，哈哈哈。

[–]NBANinjaxNinja 14 指標 4 天前

the repeater tax is so heavy even the richest owners shy away from it

重複奢侈稅是如此的繁重，以至於就算是最富有的老闆也想遠離它。

[–]Soccerskillz13 6 指標 4 天前

repeater tax

Is it that bad? Would it make someone like Ballmer think twice?

重複奢侈稅？

有這麼嚇人嗎？難道它會讓鮑爾默這樣富有的老闆再三考慮嗎？

[–]Celticsjkwah 12 指標 4 天前

It depends how much the team salary goes above the tax threshold since it"s bracketed.

The repeater tax starts at $2.50 per dollar spent. It eventually goes to $4.75 + $0.50 per each additional $5 million.

Basically they could quickly find themselves paying close to $100 million in luxury tax alone.

這都取決於球隊超過奢侈稅起征點的薪金數額有多少，因為這兩者是等價的。

重複奢侈稅的起征點就是薪金每超過一美元便徵收2.5美元的重複奢侈稅，最終它會達到每多增加500萬美元，這些增加的每一美元就將繳納4.75+0.5美元的重複奢侈稅。

基本上，這些老闆們很快就會發現單單奢侈稅一項上他們就會付出超過1個億的美元。

[–]Warriorsptfo1 7 指標 4 天前

But the repeater part of the $4.75 is only $1.00. $3.75 is the tax you would pay not matter what. The repeater tax is only the additional $1.00. I don"t know why everyone thinks the repeater tax is so huge. Its a 26.6% increase in your tax. If you are already gonna eat the $3.75, the extra dollar isn"t that much more to swallow

但是4.75美元中重複奢侈稅的部分只有1美元，剩下的3.75美元是你不管怎麼樣都要付的奢侈稅。重複奢侈稅只佔額外的1美元，我不知道為什麼每個人都覺得重複奢侈稅是如此的龐大，它只是把奢侈稅提高了26.6%罷了。如果你已經準備吃掉這些3.75美元的奢侈稅，那麼剩下額外的部分便也不那麼難吞下了。

[–]Raptorsohgosh_thejosh 20 指標 4 天前

While they"d be losing money for a few years, the brand they"d build would be worth it.

Think of the brand the Chicago Bulls have. A large part of that is due to the dynasty they had in the 90s.

They sell out every game and are always top of the list for merch sales across North America despite being a pretty shitty team.

If Golden State keeps this dynasty together they"ll be able to build a brand like that that"ll have a lasting impact decades into the future.

儘管勇士可能會在一些年裡虧損，但是他們建立的品牌值得花這麼多錢。

就想想公牛建立的這個品牌吧，很大程度上就是由於他們在90年代里建立的王朝。

公牛幾乎每場比賽都爆滿，而且銷售額在北美總是處於領先地位，儘管現在他們是一支很糟糕的球隊。

如果勇士能夠保留這個王朝，他們便會建立起一個這樣的品牌，從而在未來的幾十年內都產生持續的積極影響。

[–]CavaliersThisisyen 23 指標 4 天前

The reason why Lebron left the Heat was because they started cutting all the other guys like Mike Miller because of the tax.

All I"m saying is, I haven"t seen any owners losing money on businesses for brand value.

So let"s just say they sign Klay for 20 million a year. If they"re already over the cap, that contract alone could cost them $100 million a year. I don"t think any owner is going to pay that for Klay.

勒布朗離開熱火的原因就在於，球隊為了不交奢侈稅而開始裁掉像麥克-米勒這樣的所有其他球員了。

我想說的是，我還沒看到過任何一個老闆為了打造品牌而虧錢的。

所以我們就假設勇士用2000萬一年續約了克萊，如果那時他們已經超過了奢侈稅徵收點的話，單單這一筆合同的年重複奢侈稅就達到了1億美元，我不認為任何一個老闆會為了克萊而花這麼多錢的。

[–]Heat Bandwagoncrashck 12 指標 4 天前

Yeah I don"t think a lot of people realize just how costly the repeater tax is. Some owners are willing to lose a bit of money, no one is going to be willing to pay deep in the repeater tax.

是的，我認為很多人都沒有意識到重複奢侈稅有多麼的貴。有些老闆確實願意為了球隊多花一些錢，但是沒人願意去付這麼高昂的重複奢侈稅。

[–]Warriorsptfo1 4 指標 4 天前

The Warriors are opening a new arena that they self-financed with no public money in the most expensive city to live in the United States. Do you really think they are gonna break up this team when they move into a new arena while trying to sell to multimillion dollar suites to all the tech companies?

勇蜜：勇士正在修建自己的新場館，在這個美國生活成本最高的城市裡，他們沒有用任何公眾籌資，完全自費修建了這個場館。你真的認為在他們搬到這個新場館，同時把這些上百萬的套房賣給各大科技公司後，還會讓球隊分開嗎？

[–]NutinButAPeanut 6 指標 4 天前

Considering how expensive dubs tickets are right and how every game is sold out, they can definitely spend as much as they want.

考慮到現在勇士的球票有多麼貴，以及每場比賽場館都如此的爆滿，他們顯然有能力想花多少就花多少。

[–]CelticsBradWonder 22 指標 4 天前

Their depth is going to take a huge hit in the next 2 offseasons and I can"t wait for it.

勇士的板凳深度在今後兩個休賽期里將會得到極大的削減，我已經等不及看到了。

[–]compstomper 44 指標 4 天前

that"s what they said about clearing cap space for KD

在清理空間簽下KD的時候人們也是這麼說的。

[–]Warriorsptfo1 16 指標 4 天前

It sucks, David West for the vet min, Mcgee for the vet min, Barnes for the vet min, Zaza for $2.9mil.

And on Cleveland"s side, who are even more capped out than the Warriors with the highest payroll in the NBA, Bogut for the vet min, Korver vet min, Deron Williams vet min.

Unless players suddenly stop signing for the vet min when they have a really good chance at a ring, filling the bench on a finals bound team has never been a problem.

這種說法完全沒道理，大衛-韋斯特老將底薪，麥基底薪，巴恩斯底薪，扎扎只有290萬美元。

至於騎士這一邊，除了勇士外，有誰比NBA中薪金數目最高的球隊還更加沒有空間呢，看看他們吧，博古特底薪，科沃爾底薪，德隆底薪。

除非球員們在面對極大的奪冠幾率面前突然不以底薪簽約了，否則總冠軍級別的球隊從來就不會擔心板凳深度的問題。

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