美球迷熱議NBA史上最強一陣是哪年的？21世紀某年可跟88年一戰？

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美球迷熱議NBA史上最強一陣是哪年的？21世紀某年可跟88年一戰？

Greatest All-NBA 1st Team of All Time? (self.nba)

NBA歷史上最強的第一陣容是哪個賽季的一陣？

第一陣容完整的名單：http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/7huSI

雖然今年的第一陣容還沒有公布，但是顯然後衛上肯定是威少和哈登，勒布朗和倫納德則會佔據兩個前場的位置。至於中鋒來說，我不知道誰會入選，你們可以自己推測吧。但是至於歷史上最強的第一陣容，我認為是1988年的一陣：

後衛：魔術師約翰遜，邁克爾-喬丹

前鋒：拉里-伯德，查爾斯-巴克利

中鋒：哈基姆-奧拉朱旺

你們認為歷史上有任何一支其他的第一陣容能擊敗上面這隊嗎？

Full list: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/7huSI

This year"s team hasn"t been announced yet, but obviously the guards are going to be Westbrook and Harden, and LeBron and Kawhi are gonna be the forwards. For the center spot, I don"t know who"ll get it, you can speculate. But for he greatest All-NBA 1st Team of All Time, my money"s on the "88 team:

G: Magic Johnson G: Michael Jordan F: Larry Bird F: Charles Barkley C: Hakeem Olajuwon

Do you think any 1st Team in history beats this one?

[–]MavericksJuniper41 153 指標 14小時前

2006 had a great lineup:

PG: Steve Nash

SG: Kobe Bryant

SF: LeBron James

PF: Dirk Nowitzki

C: Shaq

In terms of having players that truly compliment the others, I think this team has incredible spacing with prime Dirk, Kobe and Nash, great distributers in LeBron and Nash, four of the best scorers in NBA history and arguably one of the best centers of all time (a little past his prime here, but still an MVP candidate, putting up ~23/10/2/2 in Miami). Having LeBron run the offense with Dirk, Kobe and Nash on the perimeter, able to take over at any point, and the entire lane wide open for Shaq to operate? game over.

2006年的一陣非常不錯：

PG：史蒂夫-納什

SG：科比-布萊恩特

SF：勒布朗-詹姆斯

PF：德克-諾維斯基

C：沙奎爾-奧尼爾

考慮到球員之間真正的互補，我認為這支球隊非常棒，巔峰德克，科比和納什能為球隊創造驚人的空間，勒布朗和納什則是偉大的組織者，另外還有4個NBA歷史上最棒的得分手，其中一個也許是歷史上最強的中鋒（儘管沙克當時已經過了自己的巔峰，但是仍然是MVP的候選人之一，在熱火場均砍下23/10/2/2）。讓勒布朗在外線擁有德克，科比和納什的情況下組織進攻，這樣便能夠在任何一個時間點接管比賽，同時整個油漆區都為沙克大開？好了，比賽結束。

[–]MavericksJuniper41 40 指標 12小時前*

我認為除了在SF和PF的位置上，88年的第一陣容在各方面都能擊敗06年的第一陣容，但是這也意味著，魔術師需要在進攻端持球組織從而才能發揮出他的效率，這樣喬丹的角色則更多的變為了頂點投籃和空切攻擊籃筐，或者他們倆都妥協一些，在分享球權的情況下讓彼此在場上的個人效果得到一些削弱。

同時88年這支第一陣容在場上的空間感是極端糟糕的，伯德是他們其中唯一一個在三分線外真正有威脅的點，88年的魔術師三分命中率只有19%，喬丹13%，巴克利28%。這樣的陣容會造成擁擠的內線，從而讓大夢或者任何一個人都很難在低位發起進攻。相比之下，在06年的第一陣容中，納什的三分命中率為44%，科比35%，勒布朗34%，德克41%。

魔術師在防守端也會暴露出一些問題，在他打球的年代，他總是會換防到另外大個的球員，而不是去盯防對手的PG。從而88年這支一陣在防守06年一陣的外線時會非常困難，巴克利很難防住巔峰的德克。你可以想像喬丹去防守科比，那麼這就讓魔術師，巴克利或者伯德去防守剩下的納什，勒布朗和德克，這樣看來06年這支一陣就有顯然的身高優勢了。如果每個位置上進行單挑，88年這支一陣肯定會在5個位置中的3個裡都獲勝，甚至是全部橫掃，但是考慮到團隊籃球的話，我會選擇06年這支一陣，因為他們在場上更多的是互補，而88年這支一陣在某些方面則顯得有些冗餘了，而且缺少空間。

I think the 88 team beats the 06 team at all positions but SF and PF, but that being said, Magic needs to have the ball in his hands to be effective on offense, that would mean Jordan would be relegated to more of a spot up and slashing role or both would have to compromise and let their individual impacts suffer a bit for the whole of the team and share ball handling duties.

The "88 team also has absolutely horrible spacing. Larry Bird is your only reliable threat from deep, in "88 Magic is a 19% 3 point shooter, MJ a 13% and Barkley is 28% from deep. This clogs the lanes and makes it hard for Hakeem, or anyone to do work down low. For comparison in "06, Nash shot 44% from deep, Kobe 35%, LeBron 34% and Dirk at 41%.

Magic also creates a problem on defense, during his playing days he often was switched to a bigger player and was not tasked with guarding the opposing PG. The "88 team would have a hard time defending the perimeter, and Barkley would have a hard time guarding prime Dirk. You would have to imagine MJ would guard Kobe, that leaves Magic, Barkley or Bird guarding Nash, LeBron and Dirk. Team "06 has a clear height advantage also. If each position matched up 1v1 "88 would win 3/5 and quite possibly sweep, but in terms of team play I would take team "06 for their complimentary playstyle and because of team "88"s redundant playstyle and lack of spacing.

[–]76erssportsfan113 176 指標 16小時前

The defense on 07-08 would be crazy.

PG: Chris Paul

SG: Kobe Bryant

SF: LeBron James

PF: Kevin Garnett

C: Dwight Howard

07-08年一陣的防守簡直瘋狂。

PG：保羅

SG：科比

SF：勒布朗

PF：加內特

C：霍華德

[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonMrVanillaIceTCube 23 指標 15小時前

It"s great, but imo 88 has it beat at 3 spots, maybe 4.

Plus 1), great offense trumps great defense, 2) especially when the offense is greater than the defense (easily so on the perimeter), 3) NOBODY stopping Dream or 88 Jordan, even Gary Payton, 4) those two built their games around scoring in traffic.

87-88 Jordan: 35 / 6 / 5.5 / 3.2 / 1.6 on 53.5-84.1%

Btw, Bird and Magic combined to win the 84-90 MVPs, except for 88, when Jordan won it.

確實很棒，但是在我看來，88年一陣在3個方面會佔據優勢，甚至會達到4個方面。

第一，偉大的進攻總是勝過偉大的防守。

第二，尤其是當進攻比防守更出色時（顯然88年的外線更強）。

第三，沒有人能夠阻擋大夢或者是88年的喬丹，就算是手套佩頓也不行。

第四，上面兩個人能夠在行進間輕鬆的得分。

87-88喬丹：35 / 6 / 5.5 / 3.2 / 1.6，命中率53.5-84.1%。

另外，伯德和魔術師加起來把84-90年的MVP拿完了，除了88年，那一年是喬丹的。

[–]SpursDinoDuncan 87 指標 16小時前

I"d take 2002

Prime Kidd

Prime Kobe

Prime Tmac

Prime Duncan

Prime Shaq

我會選擇2002年的一陣：

巔峰基德

巔峰科比

巔峰麥迪

巔峰鄧肯

巔峰沙克

[–][HOU] Hakeem OlajuwonSandhu_17 23 指標 16小時前

an offence with Kobe and tmac would be amazing to watch

同時擁有科比和麥迪的進攻將令人難以置信。

[–]SpursMidnightRofl 11 指標 12小時前

How the hell would anyone guard them two alone? Let alone you have Shaq in the paint who"ll fuck you up no matter what

單獨上面這兩人，就沒有任何人能防住他們。更不用說內線還有沙克，不管怎麼樣他都會摧毀你們。

[–]Warriorsmanisier 4 指標 15小時前

I love this one. I think they"d match up better against the "88 team than at first glance

我喜歡這個陣容，我覺得他們與88年一陣的對位比咋一看上去有優勢得多。

[–]Butlersgawd 2 指標 14小時前

How is that better than what op posted. Each one of the players is border line the goat of their position, Duncan and shaq are the only guys here I"d take over ops list

這個陣容怎麼就比樓主說的強了，02年一陣的每個球員在他們的位置上都處於最偉大的邊緣，我認為只有沙克和鄧肯比樓主所說的陣容里相對位置上的球員要強。

[–]SpursDinoDuncan 10 指標 12小時前

Because they fit together a LOT better than the team OP posted. Bird is the only one who can space the floor on that 88 team, plus Chuck/Bird/Magic is not a very good defensive lineup. Meanwhile, Kobe/Kidd/Duncan were all 1st team defense in 02 and would be insane on that end

但是02年一陣的搭配程度要比樓主提到的一陣好得多。88年一陣中只有伯德在場上能拉開空間，另外巴克利/伯德/魔術師並不是一套非常強的防守搭配。同時，科比/基德/鄧肯在02年同時也進入了一防，他們在防守端的效果將會非常瘋狂。

[–]LakersAmber900 10 指標 14小時前

This team has the D, shooting and versatility: 12/13: G: CP3. G: Kobe. F: Durant. F: Lebron. C: Duncan

This team has insane D: 99/00: G: Kidd. G: Payton. F: KG. F: Duncan. C: Shaq

這支一陣有著防守，投籃和全面性，12/13一陣——後衛：保羅，科比；前鋒：杜蘭特，勒布朗；中鋒：鄧肯。

而這支一陣則擁有可怕的防守：99/00一陣——後衛：基德，佩頓；前鋒：加內特，鄧肯；中鋒：沙克。

[–][BOS] Paul PierceContraPositive 9 指標 16小時前

I"d go with 1988 as well, 2 top-5 all-time players including the GOAT, 4 arguably top-10 all-time players, and 5 top-20 all time players. And they"re all in their primes. The only teams that might beat that one are 1987 and 1989 which are just that team but swapping out Barkley for McHale or Malone.

我還是會選1988年一陣，其中有2個歷史前五的球員，包括史上最偉大的那一個，同時有4個歷史前10的球員而且他們5個都是歷史前20的，並且都處於巔峰。唯一能夠擊敗這支一陣的就是1987年或是1989年一陣，基本上就是同一支球隊，只不過把巴克利換成麥克海爾或者馬龍。

[–]RaptorsRunandwin 15 指標 14小時前

Nobody comes close.

This is pretty much the Dream Team starting 5 with pre-HIV Magic and pre-backpain Larry. And Hakeem instead of Ewing.

沒有任何其他一陣和樓主說的接近。

88年一陣基本上就是夢之隊的首發5虎了，有著HIV感染前的魔術師，背傷發作前的伯德，以及把尤因換成大夢。

[–]NBAbluemagic124 3 指標 14小時前

"88 is a stupidly good team.

5 MVPs on one team. 3 top 10 players (borderline 4 with Hakeem). All of them are top 5 for their position. This one"s probably the best.

88年一陣就是一支強的可怕的球隊。

裡面的5個人都是MVP，3個歷史前10的球員（加上前十邊緣的大夢就是4個），所有5個人在他們的位置上都是歷史前五的，這支一陣很可能就是最棒的。

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