以蝸殼為標竿！美球迷熱議杜庫等球星還需什麼成就才能超越科比？

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以蝸殼為標竿！美球迷熱議杜庫等球星還需什麼成就才能超越科比？

What would Durant/Curry/Harden/Westbrook/Kawhi have to do throughout the rest of their careers to pass Kobe on all time greatest list (self.nba)

杜蘭特、庫里、倫納德、哈登、威斯布魯克在自己餘下的生涯里必須做到什麼才能在歷史巨星的榜單上超越科比。

So like what would Curry need to do for the rest of his career to pass kobe all time? How many more rings? What records does he need to set? etc.

Same with all the other players.

I"m curious to see if any of then are on a realistic path to pass Kobe when it"s all set and done.

所以就比如庫里要是想在歷史巨星的排行榜上超越科比需要在自己餘下的生涯里做到哪些事？需要再多多少枚戒指？需要創下哪些記錄等等？

還有其他的那些球員

我很好奇這些人在生涯結束的時候，會不會有人真的踏上超越科比的征途。

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesswatbustist 50 指標 17小時前

Kobe made 11 all nba first teams and 9 all def teams, scored 30000 points and has 2 FMVPS, that"s what they gotta do to pass him, and that"s fucking hard

科比進了11次NBA第一陣容以及9次NBA第一防守陣容，得到了30000分，而且有兩次總決賽MVP，這就是他們想要超越他必須要做到的事，這尼瑪也太難了。

[–]Celticstrelos6 33 指標 17小時前

To be fair, a few of those all defence teams he was being jerked off by the media.

But yeah, Kobe is like between 7-15 all time greatest. Amazing career.

說實話，那裡面有幾個第一防守陣容是被媒體用下半身投進去的。

但是不管怎樣，科比應該在歷史榜單上排在7-15的位置，他有一個非常出彩的生涯。

[–]WarriorsGrandpaGunther 15 指標 17小時前

They even gave it to him in 2011 and 2012 lol.

他們在2011年和2012年還給了他一防，哈哈哈

[–]Clippers Bandwagongrpocz 14 指標 17小時前

A few of Kobe"s all defence has definitely been awarded based on reputation rather than earned. Yall don"t need to get so salty over this he is speaking the truth.

科比有幾個防守一陣絕對是更依賴於自己的名氣得到的，而不是自己掙得的。沒有必要小心眼，他就是在說實話罷了。

[–]NBAWorldJumper 26 指標 18小時前

I don"t think any of them can realistically do it. Even KD"s ceiling is borderline top 15 all time IMO

我不覺得他們中有誰真的可以做到。強如杜蘭特在我看來也就是個歷史前15的邊緣人。

[–]WarriorsHOMOcysteine 23 指標 18小時前*

I think Curry will be in the conversation for having had a better peak. Obviously more titles with great play in the finals would strengthen that argument but Steph"s second MVP year is arguably better than any regular season Kobe has ever had

我覺得庫里會因為自己巔峰更優秀進入這個討論當中。很明顯，多拿下幾個冠軍而且打出優秀的表現絕對會讓支持他的論據更強大。但是庫里的第二個MVP賽季可能在有一定爭議的情況下，比科比的任何一個賽季都要好。

[–]Lakerskobe4forever 18 指標 18小時前

I agree than Steph"s second MVP year peak is perhaps the greatest season of all time due to insane efficiency. But I think Curry"s longevity is an issue - he spent 3 years in college, and had early career ankle issues. Right now he"s already 29. He most likely won"t be accumulating anymore MVP"s or insane stats with KD on the team. And his finals perfomances don"t help either. Longevity is the difference between many greats, and I think Curry"s ranking is impeded by this.

因為他不可思議的效率，我同意庫里的第二個MVP賽季可能是史上最強的單賽季表現。但我覺得庫里生涯的長度是個問題-他在大學花了三年的時間，而且生涯早期被腳踝傷病困擾。現在他已經29歲了。他很有可能不會再拿到MVP了，而且在杜蘭特在隊的情況下可能不會再打出瘋狂的數據了。他的總決賽表現也沒什麼幫助，生涯長度是很多偉大球員之間的差別所在，我覺得庫里的最終排位被這個妨礙了。

[–]SpursQeheen 17 指標 17小時前

Kawhi would have to win atleast 2 MVPs, another DPOY, another 2-3 rings, and multiple all nba/defensive awards, and top 10 in steals. Highly highly unlikely

倫納德必須最少再拿到兩個MVP，再拿一座最佳防守球員，額外的2-3枚戒指，再進很多次NBA最佳陣容或是最佳防守陣容，搶斷榜升至前十。這實在是太不可能了

[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonILikeAllThings 6 指標 16小時前

And I think he has the best chance too. He"s amazing on both sides of the ball, he"s on a team that wins a ton of the time(which helps in every award race), and he"s in the playoffs every year. Oh, also he"s the youngest of that group above.

而且我覺得他的機會實際上是最好的。他在球場的兩端都非常優秀，他處在一支在現今的時代里贏了非常多比賽的球隊（這些會在各個獎項的評比中都起到作用的）而且每年也都還在打季後賽。而且他是這麼多人中最年輕的。

[–]Pelicans Bandwagoncrustyasseater 51 指標 18小時前

Kd is the only player with the longevity to possibly beat out Kobe. But His warriors move was so weak it hurts his legacy

杜蘭特是唯一在生涯持久上能夠擊敗科比的人。但是他去勇士的這波操作有點示弱，會傷害到他的歷史地位。

[–]imblackdynamite92 5 指標 16小時前*

Honestly I don"t think Steph can ever pass Kobe.

Kobe"s longevity: 5 rings, 15 all nba teams (11 first), 12 all NBA defensive teams (9 first), 2 finals mvp, 19 time all star.

Steph reached his peak too late, and only plays one side of the ball. He"s the greatest shooter ever but I just don"t think he can ever pass Kobe.

Kawhi I think has the best shot, he is the youngest and the only one with a finals MVP and multiple all-nba and all-nba defense first team selections.

KD I really can"t say.

But I think you really have to play both sides of the ball to crack that top 15.

Harden and Westbrook I will say for sure no.

說實話，我不覺得庫里可以超越科比。

科比的生涯長度里包含：5枚冠軍戒指，15個NBA最佳陣容（11個一陣），12個NBA最佳防守陣容（9個第一防守陣容），兩次總決賽MVP，19次全明星。

庫里達到巔峰有點太晚了，而且他只在球場的一端表現優異。他是史上最強的射手，但是我不覺得他可以超越科比。

倫納德我覺得實際上機會最好，他是這些人里最年輕的，而且是唯一一個拿到了總決賽MVP，同時有多次NBA最佳陣容和最佳防守陣容的。

杜蘭特我真的說不準。

但我覺得你最少要攻防都兼備才能闖進前15。

哈登和威斯布魯克我覺得根本不可能超過科比的。

[–]KnicksJaceGhost 10 指標 19小時前

KD could do it with 5 rings, but he jumped ship and I don"t he gets anywhere close to that even by jumping ship.

杜蘭特本來拿5冠可超越之，但他搭上了順風車，而且就算搭上順風車我也不覺得能他接近科比。

[–][GSW] Tom GugliottaTheNutz8 6 指標 19小時前

KD is one of the best pure scorers in history, and he could possibly pass Kobe. If Curry keeps playing at his current level and has team success, he"s going to be remembered very fondly when it"s all said and done, and possibly be in the conversation. If Kawhi keeps improving on offense and the Spurs keep winning, he will be very fondly remebered as well, and would be in the conversation. Russ and Harden have a much tougher road to hoe in getting recognition as an all-time great. I feel like those guys are both in the realm of Patrick Ewing, who averaged a 20+ pt double double for 9 years but gets left out of the all-time conversation always.

杜蘭特是史上最強的純得分手，他是可能超過科比的。如果庫里繼續打出現有水平，並取得球隊成功，那庫里在生涯結束時就會很受好評被銘記，就有可能進入和科比一拼的討論里。 如果倫納德在進攻端繼續提高，馬刺也能一直贏球的話，小卡也會很受好評被歷史銘記，也就能進入討論里。威少和哈登想進入歷史級巨星的路要艱難得多，我感覺這倆人更像是走尤因的路數，能保持個9年場均20+，但卻總被排除在歷史級球星的討論里。

[–][DAL] Dirk Nowitzkisquadalupe 4 指標 19小時前

Nearly impossible. Although if Westbrook could win now, and do it while maintaining this season"s stats or better, against super teams from the East, with 2 or more of the top 5 against him, and produce Beastbrook dunks on literally every superstar, and somehow build 5,000 elementary schools, then he might get close.

幾乎沒這個可能了。 而且就算威少現在能奪冠，同時保持這個賽季甚至更好的數據，對手是東部的超級球隊含有2個聯盟前5球員，威少再在每個超級球星頭上上演野獸不擼客式的扣籃，再捐建5000所小學，那麼威少可能會縮短一下差距。

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