總決賽一邊倒卻創喬丹後收視率新高！勇士統治力並未扼殺大眾興趣？

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總決賽一邊倒卻創喬丹後收視率新高！勇士統治力並未扼殺大眾興趣？

If the Warriors are killing interest in the NBA(which seems to be the general consensus on r/nba), why is this the highest rated and most watched finals since Jordan? (self.nba)

如果勇士正在扼殺人們對NBA的興趣的話（看起來這就是Reddit的普遍共識），那麼為什麼這是一輪自從喬丹後NBA里收視率最高的總決賽呢？

很直接的問題，為什麼今年總決賽的收視率是自從喬丹後最高的呢？

我覺得可能的原因是：

Reddit並不能代表那些真正看球的人

Reddit有一小部分愛發聲的群體，每當勇士贏球後都在言論上統治了論壇，抨擊KD的這個決定有多麼糟糕。

「路人球迷」和Reddit有著不同的興趣，意味著他們並不那麼關心比賽是否打得焦灼，只要具有娛樂性就行了。

這支勇士在收視率上有著喬丹公牛的那種影響，而且人們想要見證偉大。

Pretty straightforward question, why is it that these finals are the highest rated finals so far since Jordan?

My possible thoughts:

r/nba is not indicative of the actual watching NBA population

r/nba has a vocal minority that dominate the sub when the Warriors win about how shitty KD made the move

The "casual" fans have different interests than r/nba. Meaning that they don"t really care if the games are close as long as they are entertaining.

the Warriors have the Jordan-Bulls like effect on ratings where people want to witness greatness

[–]KingsXpLoZiioN 247 指標 18小時前

我覺得大多數的人都會同意現在這種勇士/騎士的敵對格局在整體上對於聯盟來說是個積極的事情。每年NBA都會受到越來越多的人歡迎，這也意味著這樣的格局顯然沒有「扼殺NBA」。

我覺得說現在的勇士不利於聯盟里的競爭確實是公平的，因為最後的結果很容易預料，但是這又是另外一個論點了。

整體上，這樣的格局對聯盟會有非常大的幫助，而且在幾年後，當工資帽穩定下來時，我不覺得我們還能如此頻繁的見到現在這樣的「超級球隊」。勇士正是因為工資帽的跳躍而獲得了非常大的好處。

I think most people would agree that this current Warriors/Cavs rivalry has been very positive for the league as a whole. The NBA as a whole increases in popularity every year, which means it obviously isn"t "killing the NBA."

I think it"s fair to say that the current Warriors are bad for the competitiveness of the league, because the end result is much easier to predict. But that"s a completely different argument.

Overall, it will help the league a ton, and in a few years after the salary cap stabilizes I don"t think we will see this type of "super team" as frequently. The Warriors benefitted from the timing of the cap jump tremendously.

[–]Supersonicsgaussx 67 指標 17小時前

難道可預見性是個壞事嗎？我覺得對於大多數的體育來說都是個好事情，你想要看到最棒的球隊贏下比賽，你不想看到「更棒」這個詞變得毫無意義。體育中最壞的事情便是當最好的球隊和最壞的球隊之間只是投擲一枚硬幣正反之間的概率。

而體育中最棒的事情就是兩個超級豪強之間的互相對決，當他們一路碾壓殺進決賽後，看看究竟誰才是最棒的。就像超級碗中邁阿密海豚vs 舊金山49人，拳擊中的弗雷澤vs阿里一樣。

沒人想看到這樣的NBA——「這20支球隊中的任何一支都可能贏下總冠軍！他們都贏下了40~50場比賽！喜歡這樣的平衡！」

Is predictability a bad thing? I think for most of sport is a good thing. You want the best team to win. You don"t want there to be no meaning to word "better". The worst thing in sport is when the best team and the worst team are basically a coin flip.

The best thing in sport is when you have juggernauts face each. When they"ve romped through their competition and face off to see who is best. Miami vs SF in the Super Bowl. Frazier vs Ali.

No one really wants an NBA where you say, "Any of these 20 teams can win it! They"ve all won between 40 and 50 games! Love the parity!".

[–]Warriors Bandwagonharleq01 31 指標 17小時前

在我心中，所有你的觀點都是對的，人們想要看到偉大的表演。在某種程度上，體育比賽便已經不單單只是一場競爭了，而變成了一場壯觀的表演。就好像巔峰的邁克-泰森擊敗所有人一樣，在泰森職業生涯的某個時間點上，他看起來就是不可擊敗的。那時候已經沒有了能夠再去挑戰他們的競爭者，也正是這個時候，他們受歡迎的程度達到了最高。

永遠不要低估大眾球迷的力量。是的，他們不怎麼關心結果，而且可能沒有那些「懂球帝」們——不管你怎麼稱呼這群人——懂得多。但是大眾球迷們正是那些提高了比賽娛樂程度的人，正是大眾的粉絲給你們最喜歡的電影，體育，運動員，書本，餐廳等等帶來了盈利，並使它們得到宣傳。

All your points are right imo. People want to see greatness when it comes around. At a certain point, a sports competition is no longer a competition. It』s a spectacle. Like Prime Mike Tyson beating up anyone and everyone with authority. At certain points in Tyson』s careers, they seemed unbeatable. They were out of contenders to challenge them yet it was at those times when their popularity were at the highest.

Don』t ever underestimate the power of casual fans. Yes, they』re casual and may not know the sport as much as the non-casuals or whatever you want to call them. But the casuals are the ones who elevate the entertainment medium. The casuals give the boon to the revenue and the hype for your favorite movie, sport, athelete, book, restaurant, etc.

[–]Cavaliers BandwagonGrease_the_Witch 1592 指標 18小時前

Casuals love to watch huge names square off, and a three peat? Nostalgia.

不懂球的球迷喜歡看到巨星們面對面的碰撞，至於三連冠？懷舊罷了。

[–][deleted] 103 指標 18小時前

lmao. "casuals like to watch huge names square off" what? who doesnt like that. thats literally every league, everyone wants to watch the biggest stars go at it, not just casuals

笑尿了，「不懂球的球迷喜歡看到巨星們面對面的碰撞」啥玩意？誰不喜歡這個呢，基本上每個體育聯盟，每個看球的人都喜歡看到最大牌的球星互相競爭，而不僅僅只是不懂球的球迷。

[–]Warriorsuntouchable765 172 指標 18小時前

The overwhelming majority of fans are casual fans is the point here.

這裡的重點在於，絕大多數的球迷都是不懂球的。

[–]Cavaliers BandwagonGrease_the_Witch 23 指標 18小時前

The lost is in regard to r/NBA. the consensus here often seems to be that the Warriors and Cavs take away all parity, and there"s a lot of bitching and moaning about it.

that being said, the League is making crazy $tacks bc of it

這裡的損失只是相對於Reddit論壇來說的，這裡普遍的意見就是勇士和騎士帶走了NBA所有的平衡，而且有很多諷刺和抱怨。

同時這也表明，聯盟正是因為這種格局而賺的盆滿缽滿的。

[–]Heat BandwagonMiaCannons 65 指標 14小時前

勒布朗過去7年間對東部做的事情就和勇士現在對聯盟做的事情一模一樣，我知道間斷的東部會有一些球隊能給勒布朗帶去挑戰，就像凱爾特人和步行者，但是大多數的時候，東部的競爭都是不存在的，而這已經存在了很久了。

看到如此多的人抱怨著勇士摧毀了聯盟的競爭真的讓我感到很吃驚，尤其是勒布朗已經這樣對待東部非常久了。老實講，我認為勒布朗在東部橫掃的系列賽比達到G6或是G7的系列賽都要多，感覺真的就是這樣。

I mean LeBron"s been doing to the East what the Warriors have been doing to the league for seven straight years. I know intermittently there have been a couple teams that have given LeBron some challenges like the Celtics or the Pacers but for the most part, competition has been dead in the East for such a long time.

It"s really surprising to see so many people come up and cry foul for what the Warriors have done to competition when LeBron"s been doing it in the East for such a long time. Honestly I think he might have more sweeps in the East than game 6"s and 7"s, it really feels that way.

[–][OKC] Steven AdamsJohnCavil 40 指標 17小時前*

This is the correct answer. You could have Celtics/Knicks vs Lakers/GSW and you"d get massive viewers too even though it would be terrible basketball. The kind of people who watch the finals only care about hype and superstars.

這是正確的答案，就算是凱爾特人/尼克斯vs湖人/勇士的總決賽，你也能得到巨額的收視率，儘管這是非常糟糕的籃球。看總決賽的人群只會關注豪門和超級球星。

[–]NBASourerDiesel 73 指標 17小時前

OP answered his own question in a roundabout way when he said "since Jordan". Notice how the last Finals to get ratings this high had the best player of all time playing on a super team competing for his 6th title against a team that had already proven it was outmatched.

Now, we got the team that might be better than Jordan"s Bulls playing against the player that might be better than Jordan.

This was entirely predictable. The NBA has always gotten its best ratings when the league has been its most top heavy.

當樓主說道「自從喬丹後」時，他就回答了自己的答案。要注意到上一次收視率如此高的總決賽時，史上最偉大的球員帶領著他的超級球隊競爭著第六枚總冠軍戒指，而對手則是一支已經被證明過打不贏他們的球隊。

而現在，我們擁有著一支可能比喬丹公牛還要強的球隊，去對陣一支擁有可能比喬丹還要強的球員的球隊。

這完全是可以預料到的，當聯盟中的強弱失衡最嚴重時，NBA總是能夠得到最佳的收視率。

[–]LakersRealPunyParker 679 指標 18小時前

Because r/nba hates the Warriors.

因為Reddit討厭勇士。

[–]hubau 357 指標 17小時前

Yep, and if you hate the warriors, basketball is not a lot of fun right now. But if you enjoy good basketball and are a neutral fan, watching these playoffs has been pretty cool. I definitely wouldn"t want to watch them sweep the playoffs for a decade straight, but they won"t. Injuries, aging and salarycaps will eventually pull the core apart. And other superteams will rise to challenge them.

是的，而且如果你討厭勇士，現在籃球對於你來說就沒有多少樂趣了。但是如果你能享受出色的籃球，而且是個中立的球迷的話，這些季後賽就很好看了。

[–]Mavericksbadoosh123[S] 150 指標 17小時前

Yeah that is how I feel. I"m neutral, and you can"t really deny that the Warriors basketball is some of the best played. I love watching them play defense. So many god damn athletes it"s crazy.

是的，這就是我所感覺的。我是個中立球迷，而且你真的無法反駁說勇士的籃球不是歷史上最棒的之一。我喜歡看他們防守，他們擁有太多出色的運動員了，這非常瘋狂。

[–]MYNEWACCOUNT300 267 指標 18小時前*

I got downvoted a ton on my post about it but a good villian vs. Hero Finals gets great ratings from fans.

The Heatles had most of the highest rated Finals outside of 2010(Lakers vs. Celtics) since 2004.

This year"s narrative by Fans are Hardest Road Warriors vs. LESaving the NBA Cavs. Those Hollywood NBA Storylines sell 2 Fans.

之前我像這樣評論被滅的不能自理，但是一個強大的反派vs英雄的總決賽會得到高的收視率的。

2004年以來，除了2010年的總決賽外（湖人vs凱爾特人），熱火參與的總決賽總是收視率最高的。

今年球迷們心中的劇本便是選擇了最艱難道路的勇士vs拯救NBA的勒布朗的騎士。這種好萊塢式的NBA劇本會在球迷中大賣的。

[–]Baconcheezburglar 87 指標 17 小時前

Last year"s Finals was historic.

Lots of big names.

NBA has been on an upward trend regardless of teams.

I can"t speak for /r/nba or the general public. But, I"ve never turned more games off halfway through than I have this post-season. I"ve never seen a less competitive or more predictable playoffs. I"m glad people are still watching, I"d hate for the NBA to take a step back....I"m also certainly not one of them, at least not entire games.

去年的總決賽是史詩級的。

很多大牌球星。

不管球隊們如何，NBA總體上呈上升趨勢。

我不能代表reddit或是普通大眾，但是今年季後賽里我在半場時就關掉比賽的次數比以往任何一年都要多。我從來沒有見過一屆競爭性更小，更具預測性的季後賽。我很高興人們仍然在看球，我不喜歡NBA這種退讓的態度...顯然我不是那些看球的球迷之一，最起碼不會看一整場球。

[–]Mavericks BandwagonGerman_Moses41 1190 指標 17小時前

They"re not killing interest. Reddit pundits live in a bubble and form opinion based on popular opinion in this subreddit. Basketball is thriving.

勇士並沒有扼殺比賽的樂趣，reddit的專家們生活在象牙塔中，而且根據論壇中流行的觀點去得出結論，相反的是，籃球正在興旺的發展。

[–]CavaliersSaxRohmer 25 指標 16小時前

This is the first trilogy ever, so that"s why ratings are high. I think if this continues over a few years, you"ll see the ratings go down. If the Warriors make the playoffs a formality, it can hurt things. But we"re talking about them having to do that over a period of years. People like to see the best stars match up and ratings are largely dictated by casuals, not dedicated fans.

這是總決賽史上的第一次三部曲，所以也是收視率這麼高的原因。我覺得如果未來幾年繼續保持這樣的格局的話，你會看到收視率下跌的。如果勇士讓季後賽變成了只是一種形式的話，這會產生一些傷害的。但是那樣的話他們必須在未來幾年內都打出這樣的表現，人們希望看到最出色球星之間的對決，而且收視率主要是由大眾球迷決定的，而不是少數非常專註認真的球迷。

[–]CelticsJohnFKennnedy 354 指標 15小時前*

整個帖子都是那些自認為比reddit中其他人聰明的人的安全屋，實際上幾乎沒有什麼人指出常規賽的收視率降低的這個事實。

人們幾乎就是直接跳過了觀看這個賽季的常規賽，一直等到總決賽才開始看球，目的就是為了看這兩支他們一開始就知道的球隊對決，這就是一整年中大家談論的事情。

批評者們並不是說勇士今年立馬就毀了整個聯盟，從而沒人再去關心了。當然大眾球迷們想要去看到一支如此出色的球隊，一些專註認真的球迷也會想看到一支這樣出色的球隊。

擔憂其實在於，如果這兩支球隊每年都能像這樣打爆所有其他隊，這種失衡便會延展到季後賽里，球迷們會因為千篇一律的單調對決而不再觀看NBA。

今年的西決已經是一個例子了，其收視率發生了非常劇烈的下滑。東決的收視率也非常的一般，除了G4之外，那時凱爾特人剛剛贏下了上一場比賽，人們認為他們可能還有一戰的機會，但是隨後在G5收視率便又跌了回去。

This whole thread is a safe space for people who want to feel like they"re smarter than the rest of /r/nba. Hardly anyone has pointed out that the ratings for the regular season went down.

People literally skipped watching basketball this season and waited until the Finals to see the two teams they already knew it was going to be. Which is what everyone said all year.

Detractors aren"t saying that the Warriors immediately ruined basketball this year and no one is going to care. Of course casual fans want to see a team this good. A lot of serious fans want to see a team this good.

The concern is that if two teams blow everyone out year after year, that dip will extend further into the postseason as fans start to turn away from the monotony.

We already have an example of this in the WCF, where ratings showed a significant decline. The ratings for the ECF were pretty mediocre too outside of Game 4 after the Celtics won and people thought they might have a chance, but they dropped right back down again in Game 5.

[–]Cavaliershellyeah222 20 指標 16小時前

Finals ratings aren"t indicative of the overall interest in the NBA. The Finals is just one series. NBA has lost it"s intrigue during the regular season and all the other Play-off series.

總決賽的收視率並不能代表NBA整體的利益，這只是一輪系列賽罷了。NBA的常規賽和其他輪次的季後賽已經失去了對大眾的吸引力。

[–][CHI] Rajon Rondoptam 290 指標 17小時前

Because casual fans would rather watch dominance.

因為路人球迷寧願看到統治力。

[–]Lakersyourprobablyadouche 129 指標 17小時前*

Yup. The fact is Curry has been arguably the most popular player in the league coupled with dominance, brings the casuals in. R/NBA doesn"t represent the casual fan at all, and the fact is they are extremely fun to watch.

是的，事實是，庫里是NBA中最受歡迎的球員，再加上他本身對於比賽的統治力，帶來了大眾球迷的觀看。Reddit並不能代表廣大的大眾球迷，而且事實是，勇士的觀賞性非常高。

[–]theclownermb 32 指標 17小時前

Because the top 4 most popular players in the league are playing in it. And yes Kyrie is the fourth most popular player, hes not the top 4 best but hes extremely popular with casual fans and has the second best shoe sales in Nike, even toppling KD"s sales this year. Then you have Draymond, Klay and Kevin Love who are also top 25 players in the league.

因為聯盟里最受歡迎的4個球員都在總決賽中。是的，我就是說歐文是第四受歡迎的球員，他並不是實力前4的球員，但是在大眾球迷里他非常受歡迎，其簽名鞋的銷量在NIKE中也排到了第二，今年甚至超過了杜蘭特簽名鞋的銷量。之後你還能看到格林，克萊和樂福這種也是聯盟前25的球星。

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