22歲科比01季後賽有多逆天，客場場均35.8分，若有季後賽MVP當是他？

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22歲科比01季後賽有多逆天，客場場均35.8分，若有季後賽MVP當是他？

22-year old Kobe Bryant in the 2001 Playoffs (self.nba)

22歲科比在2001年季後賽里的表現

在整個季後賽中（戰績15-1）

科比：場均29-7-6（真實命中率56%）+2搶斷+1蓋帽

科比：勝利貢獻值3.8，每48分鐘的勝利貢獻值0.26，個人勝負值為7.3（使用率30.4%）

科比：每場比賽能產生43.1分（得分加助攻）

沙克：場均30-15-3（真實命中率56%）+2蓋帽

沙克：勝利貢獻值3.7，每48分鐘的勝利貢獻值0.26，個人勝負值為7.2（使用率32.1%）

沙克：每場比賽能產生37.9分（得分加助攻）

這是從那年季後賽中引用的一些論調/事實。

Over the entire playoffs (15-1 record)

Kobe: 29-7-6 (56% TS) + 2 SPG + 1 BPG

Kobe: 3.8 WS, .26 WS/48, 7.3 BPM (30.4% usage rate)

Kobe: 43.1 points produced per game (points + assists)

Shaq: 30-15-3 (56% TS) + 2 BPG

Shaq: 3.7 WS, .26 WS/48, 7.2 BPM (32.1% usage rate)

Shaq: 37.9 points produced per game (points + assists)

Select quotes/facts from those playoffs

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"I"ve always held the bar up very high for Kobe and he"s not only reached that bar, but he"s jumping over the top of it right now," Phil Jackson said. "It"s the best that I"ve seen a player of mine play with an overall court game."

"I never asked Michael to be a playmaker," Jackson said. "That"s the greatest player I ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game. Yet I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be a playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. Kobe has to set up the offense, read the defense, make others happy and he"s doing a great job of it. Kobe has become the floor leader on a basketball team that was looking for that player who can not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker who can consistently make big plays at critical times. It was very important for Kobe to step into that role he was envisioned at."

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「我給科比定下的標準一直都非常高，他不僅僅達到了這個標準，而且現在他已經得到了最高的水平」菲爾-傑克遜說道。「他是我執教的球員中，在整體上表現最出色的那個。」

「我從來沒有要求喬丹去做一個組織者，」傑克遜說道。「他是我執教過的最偉大的球員，我可以說他 就是籃球比賽歷史上最偉大的球員。然而儘管如此，我從來都沒有要求他去當一個組織者。我只是告訴他 當他被雙人或者三人包夾時，他應該去組織一下進攻。而科比需要為我們的進攻定下基調，他閱讀防守， 讓隊友們都打得開心，而且他做的非常棒。科比現在已經成為一支球隊中的場上領袖了，他不單單能得分，而且能夠成為一名組織者，持續穩定的在關鍵時刻打出大心臟般的回合。科比能進步到這個他一直 以來設想的角色中對我們來說非常重要。」

O"Neal said it wasn"t the points but the way Bryant scored them that was so impressive.

"That"s where I"ve been trying to get him all year," O"Neal said. "He"s been getting his points, getting everybody involved, drawing and kicking, doing the right things. Somebody once said the mark of a great player is how you make the other players around you play. I now can truly say that Kobe Bryant is the best player in this league."

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奧尼爾說過，最令人驚嘆的並不是科比得到的分數，而是他得到那些分的方式。

「這就是一整年裡我都在期待他所打出的表現，」奧尼爾說道。「他一直都在得到自己的分數，並讓每個人參與進來，叫戰術，突破分球，在場上做正確的事情。有人說過衡量一個偉大球員的標準就是，你是否 能夠讓身邊的人變得更好。我現在能夠真正的說，科比-布萊恩特就是聯盟里最好的球員。」

"I can"t believe how much better Kobe is, scoring, defensively, giving us open shots," Derek Fisher said. "We all feed off him."

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「我不敢相信科比的進步有如此之大，得分，防守，給我們大家空位投籃機會，」費舍爾說到。「我們 都依賴著他贏球。」

"When he took over, it"s what Michael always used to do," said Spurs reserve and ex-Bull Steve Kerr. "A team would start to come back and make a run, especially in their home building, and their fans would get behind them, and all of a sudden -- bam! -- he just sucks the air out of the place. That"s what Kobe was doing."

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「當科比接管比賽時，就和喬丹曾經做的一模一樣，」來自馬刺和前公牛球員史蒂夫-科爾。「對手總會 開始反擊並打出一波高潮，尤其是在他們的主場，然後球迷們就會站在他們的身後支持他們，然而突然 一瞬間——Bang！——科比就好像抽幹了球館裡所有的空氣一樣，全場突然安靜下來。這就是科比所做 的事情。」

In the playoffs, O"Neal is averaging 34.0 points at home and 23.6 points on the road. The discrepancy would be of greater concern if Bryant weren"t so up for the challenge of the road. It"s one other department in which Bryant can handle whatever chores Shaq leaves unfinished. Kobe is averaging 28.2 points at home and 35.8 on the road.

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在季後賽中，奧尼爾在主場場均砍下34分，而在客場只有23.6分，這種差異本將會成為湖人一個非常大的隱患，如果科比沒有在客場如此積極的接受挑戰的話。科比能夠完成任何沙克留下的沒有完成的任務，科比在主場場均砍下28.2分，而在客場這一數據達到了35.8分。

Did you hear what Gregg Popovich said after Bryant and the Lakers used Pop"s Spurs to mop the courts at the Alamodome and Staples Center in the Western Conference Finals?

"He"s not just going up and down the court anymore, playing on talent," Popovich said. "He"s using his ability and playing wisely. He knows what time of the game it is, what the situation is and where his teammates are. That takes time to learn. In terms of development, he"s really made a big leap."

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你聽到過西部決賽時，當科比和湖人在阿拉莫球館以及斯台普斯中心把馬刺按在地上摩擦時，波波維奇對此的評論嗎？

「科比現在在場上不再僅僅只是飛天遁地的靠天賦打球了，」波波維奇說道。「他在利用自己的能力， 打得很聰明。他知道比賽現在進行到什麼程度了，球隊現在的處境和隊友們的狀態如何。達到這一切需要 時間去學習。至於進步這方面，科比真的發生了質的飛躍。」

With 93 points in consecutive games, Bryant was drawing a comparison with the greatest big-game player ever -- Michael Jordan.

Horace Grant kept referring to Bryant as "No. 23," the number Jordan wore. It wasn"t a mistake.

"I knew what I was saying," Grant said.

在連續的比賽中總共砍下93分後，科比進入了和歷史上最偉大關鍵球員——邁克爾-喬丹的比較當中。

霍勒斯-格蘭特不停的把科比稱為「23號，」正是喬丹穿的號碼。這並不是個錯誤，「我知道自己在說什麼，」格蘭特說道。

每一輪的具體數據

第一輪：開拓者（50-32）/4.32 SRS/1568 ELO

科比：場均25-4-8（真實命中率57%）+2搶斷/進攻效率122/防守效率98

沙克：場均27-16-3（真實命中率50%）+1蓋帽/進攻效率113/防守效率99

西部半決賽：國王（55-27）/6.07 SRS/1669 ELO

科比：場均35-9-4（真實命中率59%）+1搶斷+1蓋帽/進攻效率120/防守效率104

沙克：33-17-2（真實命中率59%）+3蓋帽/進攻效率116/防守效率97

西部決賽：馬刺（58-24）/7.92 SRS/1713 ELO

科比：場均33-7-7（真實命中率57%）+2搶斷+1蓋帽/進攻效率121/防守效率93

沙克：場均27-13-3（真實命中率55%）+1搶斷+1蓋帽/進攻效率106/防守效率90

總決賽：76人（56-26）/3.64 SRS/1592 ELO

科比：場均25-7-6（真實命中率51%）+1搶斷+1蓋帽/進攻效率104/防守效率103

沙克：場均33-16-5（真實命中率58%）+3 蓋帽/進攻效率115/防守效率101

Stats per round

FIRST ROUND: Portland Trailblazers (50-32) / 4.32 SRS / 1568 ELO

Kobe: 25-4-8 (57% TS) + 2 SPG / 122 ORTG / 98 DRTG

Shaq: 27-16-3 (50% TS) + 1 BPG / 113 ORTG / 99 DRTG

WCSF: Sacramento Kings (55-27) / 6.07 SRS / 1669 ELO

Kobe: 35-9-4 (59% TS) + 1 SPG + 1 BPG / 120 ORTG / 104 DRTG

Shaq: 33-17-2 (59% TS) + 3 BPG / 116 ORTG / 97 DRTG

WCF: San Antonio Spurs (58-24) / 7.92 SRS / 1713 ELO

Kobe: 33-7-7 (57% TS) + 2 SPG + 1 BPG / 121 ORTG / 93 DRTG

Shaq: 27-13-3 (55% TS) + 1 SPG + 1 BPG / 106 ORTG / 90 DRTG

FINALS: Philadelphia 76ers (56-26) / 3.64 SRS / 1592 ELO

Kobe: 25-7-6 (51% TS) + 1 SPG + 1 BPG / 104 ORTG / 103 DRTG

Shaq: 33-16-5 (58% TS) + 3 BPG / 115 ORTG / 101 DRTG

[–]Lakers BandwagonMiopTop 809 指標 7小時前

35.8 ppg on the road at 22 years old is insane

22歲就能在客場場均35.8分太瘋狂了。

[–][MIA] Jason WilliamsWhoopingKing 406 指標 7小時前

And not even mentioning a cool 37/7/7 against the Pop and TD Spurs nonetheless... They never really had an answer for him tbh

這還都沒有提到在面對波波維奇和鄧肯的馬刺時科比砍下的超帥的37/7/7...老實講，整個系列賽他們對科比都沒有答案。

[–]Lakers BandwagonMiopTop 325 指標 7小時前

Kobe is basically the reason why the Spurs got Bowen.

本質上科比就是馬刺搞來鮑文的原因。

[–]SpursLaquonTreadwell 82 指標 7小時前

He"s what basically was the game changer causing the sweep. Duncan could come close to Shaq, but Spurs had no one like Kobe at all. Shaq was the better player, and IF you had to say someone was doing the carrying it would be Shaq, not Kobe, but really there was no carrying being done. Kobe was a motherfucker.

科比本質上改變了比賽的進程，並造成了橫掃。鄧肯能夠和沙克差不多五五開，但是馬刺沒有任何像科比這樣的球員。沙克確實是更好的球員，如果你非要說誰在carry大家的話，那會是沙克，而不是科比。但是實際上並不存在carry不carry的，科比就是個天殺的巨星。

[–]LakersTheingloriousak2 286 指標 7小時前

It"s the best 1-2 combo ever

We took advantage of matchups

Shaq killed the weak Eastern teams

湖蜜：

科比和沙克是史上最好的2人組。

我們充分利用了在對位上的優勢。

沙克在面對東部孱弱的球隊時便開始大殺特殺。

[–]CelticsDjango-Beans 135 指標 4小時前

The 2001 Lakers are the best team I"ve seen

2001年的湖人是我見過的最好的球隊。

[–]LakersKobe7477 115 指標 5小時前

Wasn"t the 15-1 run also the hardest Road by some uncommonly used metric?

那一年15-1戰績拿下總冠軍的道路在某個不常用的數據排名中，不也是最艱難的道路嗎？

[–][CLE] Richard Jefferson2016Winner 66 指標 4小時前

All of the teams were 50 win teams

所有他們擊敗的球隊都是50勝以上的。

[–]Hawks Bandwagonlilmigosvert 27 指標 3小時前

Jesus Christ and they were all healthy, weren"t they?

天啊，而且對方都沒有傷病，對吧？

[–]GiveMeDog 63 指標 4小時前

Agreed. Everyone who was around at the time knew that after the first ring, Kobe was pretty much 1B to Shaq"s 1A -- both were undoubtedly top five players in the league. Neither player got "carried". It was really all about match-ups. Kobe would dominate the Western Conference and Shaq would dominate the Finals in large part because big men in the East were terrible at the time. But when people see Shaq"s 3 Finals MVPs, they immediately discredit Kobe"s playoff efforts which is a damn shame.

同意，每個在那段時間看過求的人都知道在第一枚總冠軍後，科比和沙克幾乎就是1B和1A之間不分上下的關係了——兩者都是聯盟中毫無疑問的前5的球員，彼此之間都沒有「被carry」這種說法，在場上真的只是對位之間的不同罷了。科比統治在西部的季後賽，而沙克則會統治總決賽，很大原因是那時候東部的大個子們都非常差勁。然而當人們看到沙克的3個FMVP時，在第一時刻便立即貶低了科比在季後賽里的作用，這確實是非常可恥的做法。

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantCravenmorebeer 230 指標 7小時前

There"s a small minority that think Kobe was the best player on that team. There"s a larger but still small minority that think Shaq won the threepeat all alone and Kobe was a role player and dead weight. The majority I would say think that they were the most dynamic 1-2 punch in the league perhaps ever.

They needed each other and wouldn"t have won without the other. No point arguing with anyone on the extremes. All your data and facts will just be thrown out the window. Everyone who is actually reasonable is avoiding threads like these.

當時有小部分人覺得科比是那支湖人里最好的球員，還有稍微多一點點但是仍然是小眾的看法覺得沙克一個人就能三連冠，科比只是個角色球員和累贅罷了。而主要大眾的看法還是說他倆可能是聯盟歷史上最具統治力的2人組。

他們需要彼此，而且任何一個人離開了對方都無法贏下總冠軍。爭論任何一個人處於更強的極端都沒有意義，所有你根據的數據和事實都可以簡單的被丟到窗外。任何一個理智的人都會避免這樣帖子的出現。

[–]LakersChendii 105 指標 6小時前

Shaq"s ability to just straight dominate any game/player combined with Kobe"s ability to take the wind out of any team"s sails and take over momentum. It"s definitely the most dynamic duo to ever play.

沙克直接統治任何比賽/球員的能力加上科比穿插遊走打崩對手的能力保證了他們的成功。這絕對是歷史上最有活力的二人組。

[–]Lakers3_angelo 49 指標 7小時前

I made this same argument not too long ago, Shaq may have been the best player in the league but kobe was the best player in the 2001 playoffs

不久前我就說了同樣的觀點，沙克也許在當時是聯盟里最棒的球員，但是科比是2001年季後賽中最出色的。

[–]Lakerssharkhuh 39 指標 6小時前

He basically didn"t win finals MVP because Shaq had disproportionate advantages against the East teams in every finals. If you look at the stats of the match-ups leading to the finals, you"d prob give the slight edge to Kobe being the MVP

科比拿不到FMVP的本質原因就是每次總決賽面對東部球隊時，沙克都有著差距及其懸殊的錯位優勢。如果你看看總決賽之前對位上的數據的話，你也許會傾向於給科比MVP一些。

[–]GOATofALLtime50 20 指標 5小時前

Yea that sucks. I just wish Kobe got one finals MVP in that three peat. He was annoyed and tried to get it against pistons but that didn"t work out

是的，這很糟，我只是希望科比在那次三連中能最少拿一個FMVP，他在對陣活塞的時候惱怒了，並全力想要拿到一個，但是最終沒有成功。

[–]Lakers3_angelo 11 指標 4小時前

Shaq probably deserved the finals MVP, but if there was a playoffs MVP like hockey kobe would have deserved it

沙克值得上FMVP，但是如果有像冰球比賽那樣的季後賽MVP的話，科比也值得上。

[–]LakersMr_Alex19 66 指標 5小時前

You know I"ll always upvote Kobe posts

你知道我總會贊關於科比的帖子。

[–]WarriorsNeatly 16 指標 4小時前

I just want to say, I hated Kobe growing up. His team dominated teams that were fun to watch and he puts up spectacular stats in amazing style. I hated him because he wasn"t on a team that I liked, and everyone on the court was idolizing Kobe and A.I growing up. But as I grew up and watched Kobe at his peak, as he went on an absolute tear to devastate my Nash-led Suns team in the WCF, I appreciated his greatness. He is a truly amazing player that was so hard to guard. I rooted against him, I wanted him to lose in the finals against the Magic and Celtics--but it never happened. Kobe impressed me, then I started hearing about his work ethics and how he carries himself mentally and physically--the work he puts himself through to be at the top of the game. Really respectable. Wish he didn"t go down the way he did because man, might"ve hurt his legacy to the younger eyes in this forum.

我只想說，從小到大我都討厭科比。他的球隊統治了那些觀賞性非常高的球隊，而且他以驚人的方式拿下了偉大的數據。我憎恨他是因為他從來都沒有在一支我喜歡的球隊過，但是每個在場上打球的人在成長過程中都會以科比和AI作為偶像。但是在我成長過程中，並見證科比巔峰時，看到他毫不留情的在西決中擊敗我那支納什帶領的太陽隊時，我開始尊敬他的偉大。他真的是個令人驚嘆的球員，非常難以防守。我不支持他，我想看到他在總決賽里輸給魔術和凱爾特人——但是這從來都沒有發生過。科比給我留下了深刻的印象，之後我便聽說了他的工作精神，以及他是如何在精神上和身體上嚴格要求自己的——和那些他為了達到比賽的頂峰而讓自己經歷的事情。完全的尊敬，我希望他沒有以這樣的方式倒下，因為這可能會傷害論壇年輕人眼中關於他的遺產。

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