大加索爾拿下世錦賽得分王，穩進名人堂，卻未必能退役湖人球衣？

大加索爾拿下世錦賽得分王，穩進名人堂，卻未必能退役湖人球衣？

Pau Gasol becomes the Eurobasket all time leading scorer.

保羅-加索爾加冕男籃歐錦賽歷史得分王

He needed to score just 14 points against Hungary and he did it in the second quarter of the game.

He moves past his teammate Tony Parker, who scored 1.104 points.

他只需在對陣匈牙利的比賽中得到14分即可達成這一成就，並最終在比賽的第二節，完成對馬刺隊隊友托尼-帕克（1104分）的超越。

[–]Anti_Thon 973 指標 14 小時前

At least one thread questioning Pau Gasol"s HOF status will arise within the next hour.

接下來一小時內起碼得有一個質疑加索爾能不能進名人堂的帖子出現吧。

[–]Raptors BandwagonTreChomes 477 指標 14小時前

He"s a lock.

加索爾進名人堂穩得很。

[–]RaptorsZincHead 362 指標 13小時前

For real. He might be a hall of famer just based on his NBA career alone, but throw in being one of the best international players ever and he"s a sure fire hall of famer.

老實說，只看NBA生涯可能就足以使他步入名人堂了，但考慮到加索爾是有史以來最好的國際球員之一的話，他鐵定會是的。

[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 186 指標 12小時前*

I can"t see how Gasol isn"t going into HOF when his resume is on par if not better than others who have got in. 2 rings. 6 All-stars. Rookie of the year. Long time Grizz and Laker. Accomplished outside the NBA in the Spanish league, Euro league, and the Olympics. 1 Fiba basketball world cup gold. 2 silvers in the olympics losing only to stacked-ass team USA in 2008 and 2012.

Some people complained about Yao getting into the HOF despite his resume not looking like Jordan"s, but I can see why the HOF committee would put Yao in just because he"s one of the first big international players, opened the NBA to China, contributed to expanding basketball in China even after his retirement, and is basically Chinese/Asian Jordan (unless you believe it"s Jeremy Lin).

Gasol should also get that "Yao factor" weighed on his resume when the consider him for HOF (not saying that Gasol needs it though. He"s basically Spanish Jordan). Dirk will also get that benefit (again, not saying German Jordan needs it) as one of the first German players and also one of the few foreign players to be the alpha/leader/bestplayer on a championship team.

我實在想不出加索爾不能入選名人堂的理由。他職業生涯中的成就與其他名人堂成員比毫不遜色啊。兩枚總冠軍戒指，六次全明星，年度最佳新秀，在灰熊、湖人兩隊長期效力。除了在NBA，還在西班牙聯賽、歐錦賽與奧運會上取得過成功。一次FIBA世錦賽冠軍，兩次奧運會亞軍——在2008年和2012年，他們最後只是負於騷氣到不行的美國隊罷了。

有些人對姚明入選名人堂有所微詞。儘管他的職業生涯不像喬丹那般輝煌，但是我能理解為什麼名人堂委員會會同意姚明入選。因為他是最頂尖的國際球員之一，打開了NBA在中國的市場，在球員時期，甚至是退役後，都在為籃球在中國的傳播發展做出貢獻，基本上他就是中國乃至亞洲的喬丹（除非你認為林書豪是他們的喬丹，我也沒話講）。

當考慮加索爾的名人堂前景時，我們也應該正視他生涯履歷中類似姚明那樣在NBA賽場外的影響力（但並不是說加索爾需要這些來給自己添磚加瓦。他基本上相當於是西班牙的喬丹）。德克以後也將會有這樣的加成（再強調下，不是說德國喬丹需要這些），他可是最好的德國球員之一，還是少有的作為球隊王牌拿下總冠軍的外籍球員。

[–]Lakers Bandwagonvictor396 76 指標 12小時前

6 All-stars

And had he been on the east or maybe even a more marketable franchise he might have had a couple more(you could say this about a lot of players, that"s fair, but he was the first face of Memphis in a pace of 88 pos per game. That"s rough)

六次全明星。

而且如果身處東部，或者能在一個更有市場的球隊的話，他本可能會入選更多次的（你們可能會說很多球員都有這種「如果」，這很公平。但他曾是孟菲斯灰熊的頭牌，而球隊節奏慢，場均才88分。靠這種進攻場面想積攢人氣可太難了啊）。

[–]NBAzxc123zxc123 47 指標 12小時前*

Gasol in HoF was never a real question for me after the 2nd ring. The thing I"ve been wondering about is if the Lakers will retire Gasol"s jersey for being the 2nd best player who won 2 rings for them.

Some other franchises would retire Gasol"s jersey based the 2 rings as Robin. I can"t say for sure the Lakers will since the last 4 inductees are multiple ring legends Shaq/Magic/Wilkes/Kareem. Kobe will be hanging up there. So in that sense, Gasol has the bar is set very very high by his more recent Laker peers. Shaq/Kobe/Kareem/Magic are GOAT-conversation level guys. Even Wilkes who had 4 rings (3 for the purple and gold as part of the showtime Lakers) didn"t get his jersey retirement until 20 years after Magic"s was retired.

在拿下第二個總冠軍後，對我而言，加索爾進入名人堂再也不成問題。而我一直拿不準的是，湖人會不會為這名兩連冠時期的二號人物退役球衣。

如果是在其他球隊，就沖著以二當家拿下兩次總冠軍這事兒，都會退役加索爾的球衣。我不敢保證湖人會不會，因為之前四個退役球衣的都是隨隊多次奪冠的傳奇：奧尼爾，魔術師，賈馬爾-威爾克斯，賈巴爾。科比的球衣會懸掛在斯台普斯中的。所以這麼看，加索爾面前的門檻被和他條件相似的湖人球員抬得太高太高了。奧尼爾，科比，賈巴爾，魔術師都是被放在史上最佳球員討論中的傢伙。哪怕是威爾克斯，手握四枚戒指（其中三枚是隨Showtime時代的紫金軍團拿到的），都是直到魔術師退役二十年後才被退役球衣。

[–]Lakers Bandwagonvictor396 45 指標 11小時前*

Lakers are very restrictive when it comes to retiring jerseys and i always have agreed with that... but that"s because there seems to be a frontier you have to pass for you to even be in the question: the HOF( and maybe a ring with the team). If you"re not a HOF we aren"t even discussing it( still hoping Cooper makes it one day)

I do think that once Gasol is a HOF the lakers will retire the jersey. He was an MVP of the month of february even though he played in Kobe"s am and system.

湖人球迷：在這方面，湖人隊的條件十分嚴苛，而且我一向贊同這點。因為你只有過了這條及格線才有可能，甚至是才會被考慮退役球衣，這條分界線就是名人堂（可能還需要隨隊奪冠過）。如果你不是名人堂成員我們甚至都不會提球衣退役這茬（仍然希望某天邁克爾-庫珀的球衣能被升起）。

[–]LakersYamanekoBlues 117 指標 14小時前

A human being that we can all aspire to be like. What a guy. Congrats Pau.

一個我們都想成為的那種人。多好的男人。恭喜加索爾。

[–]ThunderLeMeloBall 73 指標 14小時前

[–]Trust The ProcessGolfninja 25 指標 9小時前

The Kobe + Pau friendship is my favorite thing ever.

科比與加索爾的這段友情是我永遠的摯愛。

[–]SpainCastorHouse 94 指標 15小時前

So incredibly happy that our most successful basketball player ever is also such a great person. Proud of him!

西班牙球迷：非常開心我們史上最成功的籃球運動員還是一個特別好的人。為他感到驕傲！

[–]SpursTheMonstersThrowaway 53 指標 13小時前

Spurs legend Pau Gasol

馬刺球迷：馬刺名宿，保羅-加索爾。

[–]Lakers Bandwagonvictor396 184 指標 15小時前*

No matter what people say, he"s the best FIBA player of all time. Either that or he"s an euroleague away of it.

無論別人什麼說法，他就是史上最好的FIBA球員。就算現在不是，那他再拿一個歐錦賽冠軍的話就是了。

[–]Spurspolezo 20 指標 13小時前*

but Olympic Gold Medals Ernah. That"s why Manu is the best FIBA player of all time.

In seriousness I agree with you. Manu"s had a great FIBA career too obv, but Pau"s numbers are better over more tournaments, and even though Pau never got gold in the Olympics he still has a World Championship under his belt in 2006.

Honestly amazing Pau"s had such a long NBA career too, given how often he"s played for Spain in tournaments. Basically 13 extra mini-seasons in the NBA off-season. And he also played in a bunch of Junior-FIBA tournies too.

*edit Arvydas Sabonis also probably deserves to at least be in the conversation here. I don"t put him over Pau, but his FIBA performances and made it clear he had high NBA level talent long before he actually joined the league. He was even arguably the best player on the "88 Gold Medal Soviet team despite playing injured (he wasn"t scoring leader, but was the fulcrum of the defense and dominated the boards with a limp), and was clearly the best player on the 1992 Lithuanian Bronze-winning team, among others he was on. Wish we could have seen more of him in his prime. Stupid cold war.

馬刺球迷：但是奧運會金牌很加分啊，這也就是為什麼說馬努才是有史以來最好的FIBA球員。

可認真地說，我同意你的觀點。顯然，馬努也有著非常偉大的FIBA生涯，但是加索爾打的錦標賽更多，累計數據更出色，而且儘管加索爾從未獲得過奧運會金牌，但他還擁有2006年世錦賽的冠軍呀。

老實講，加索爾的NBA生涯能有這麼長也很令人吃驚呀，要知道他可在世界各項大賽中頻繁為西班牙隊出戰啊。在NBA休賽期，他大致參加了13次大型賽事。而且還參加過一系列FIBA青少年錦標賽。

p.s. 阿維達斯-薩博尼斯可能也起碼值得列入到這一討論中啊。我並沒有把他排在加索爾之前，但是，遠在真正登陸NBA前，他在FIBA賽事中的表現已經清楚說明了他具有NBA級別的高水平天賦。儘管帶傷出戰，但他可能還是那支拿下1988年奧運會金牌的蘇聯隊中最好的球員（他不是隊中得分王，但卻是防守大閘，帶著一瘸一拐的雙腿守衛籃筐），還很明顯是1992年奧運會季軍立陶宛隊中的王牌，他在他所處的隊伍中一直有所發揮。要是我們能看到更多他巔峰時期的表現該多好啊。愚蠢的冷戰啊。

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