克里斯-保羅：最被低估的歷史級純控衛，效率高得可怕！

克里斯-保羅：最被低估的歷史級純控衛，效率高得可怕！

Chris Paul"s ridiculous stats: He has almost as many career steals (1,912) as career turnovers (2,024). (self.nba)

克里斯-保羅的逆天數據：他的生涯搶斷（1912）幾乎和生涯失誤一樣多（2024）

As a point guard. Absolutely insane stats.

Credit to Nekias for pointing it out: 

作為一個控衛，簡直是屌得過分啊。

感謝網友Nekias的數據支持。

[–]HornetsLilChicken126 558 指標 11小時前

Chris Paul is freaking amazing

克里斯-保羅簡直是特么帥呆了！

[–]Wizards Bandwagonlivefreeordont 318 指標 10小時前

He"s an advanced stat god. Low turnovers, high efficiency, high volume stats

他絕對是高階數據霸主。極低的失誤率，高效率，高數值數據。

[–]Rockets BandwagonH0T_TAKES 166 指標 10小時前

2nd highest win shares per 48 minutes of all time, 3rd highest OBPM of all time, #1 highest offensive rating of all time

每48分鐘勝利貢獻值（win shares per 48mins）歷史第二高，進攻聯盟平均正負值（OBPM）歷史第三高，進攻評分（offensive rating）歷史第一高。

[–]Trail BlazersStephenReis 160 指標 10小時前

There are hordes of people who call CP3 overrated and I just don"t get it. He"s amazing and has consistently been a top PG for the entirety of his career.

一大堆人嚷嚷CP3被高估了，我對這幫人真是不懂。CP3就是棒啊，在他整個生涯他都始終是聯盟頂級控衛。

[–]Raptors100percentpureOJ 133 指標 9小時前

But who is better, CP3 or DWill?

不過，誰更牛逼呢？CP3還是德隆？

[–]LakersBrolliePollie 69 指標 7小時前

It"s so weird that this used to be a legit question

曾經這是一個多麼嚴肅而正經的論題啊，感覺好奇妙。

[–]Warriorsstersauce 49 指標 8小時前

who"s made the finals?

CHECK. MATE.

/s if this wasn"t obvious

然而，誰又打進了總決賽呢？

將軍啦，老鐵！

如果有人沒看出來，我聲明一下這是TX

[–]dropdatdurkadurk 324 指標 11小時前*

Chris Paul just crushes it when it comes to advanced stats. Crazy to think how well his name is known but he absolutely will go down as an underappreciated player and I just sit and laugh when I see threads like "Is Giannis/John Wall/Anthony Davis better than CP3" from people who worship empty volume counting stats

克里斯-保羅在高階數據上簡直是666. 想想他那麼知名卻仍被低估簡直是讓我抓狂，看到那種「字母哥，沃爾，濃眉是否已經強過了CP3？」的帖子簡直讓我發笑，這幫人只知道看華而不實的基礎數據。

With CP3 the past few years some highlights

Led the NBA in +/- last year. 2nd in RPM after adjusting for the things they do

Led the Clippers to a 30-15 record when Blake Griffin was out in 2016(and look at that roster without Blake Griffin it"s not good)

Around 90th percentile out of plays as a pick and roll man or in isolation the two go to plays really in the NBA for shot creation.

Incredible impact on teammates: not hard to find stats like "JJ Redick last 3 seasons with CP3 on the court: 45% from 3. Without him on the court: 38% from 3".

2nd in the NBA in WS/48 out of guys playing 60+ games

4th amongst qualifying guards in the NBA in TS% last year

3rd amongst qualiying guards in PER last year

The "playoff choker!!!" narratives are hilarious and just show how lazy people get with attributing team success to players.

CP3過去幾年的一些數據集錦如下：

領先聯盟正負值。RPM在經過調整後排第二。

CP3在擋拆進攻和單打的時候都是聯盟前10%，而這兩個打法是聯盟最仰仗的進攻機會製造手段。

2016年當格里芬傷停的時候，帶領快船取得30-15的戰績（而且當時格里芬不在的時候，陣容不咋樣）。

對隊友有難以置信的正面影響：不難找到例如這樣的數據「過去三個賽季，當CP3在場時，JJ雷迪克的三分命中率是45%，CP3不在場時則是38%」。

打了60場以上的球員中，每48分鐘勝利貢獻值排聯盟第二。

上個賽季，出場時間足夠的後衛中，真實命中率排名第四，PER排名第三。

「季後賽軟柿子」這種搞笑的段子真是展現出了人們拿隊伍的成王敗寇來判定球員的瘋狂熱衷。

Career playoff averages:

21.4/9.4/3.7 48.4% FG 38% from 3 25.8 PER 59% TS .209 WS/48 7.7 VORP in 76 games.

That"s historic level playoff production from his playoffs.

Edit: so I dont get more warriors fans mentioning this I mixed up +/- net rating and on off net rating differnetial. The latter is what he leads the NBA in

" L.A. outscored its opponents by 14.9 points per 100 possessions with Paul on the floor and was outscored by 5.3 when he was off the floor. That differential of 20.2 points per 100 possessions was the league"s biggest on-off NetRtg differential (by a pretty wide margin -- LeBron James had the second biggest at 16.3) among players who logged at least 1,000 minutes last season." http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/28/analysis-chris-paul-trade-houston-rockets-la-clippers

生涯季後賽場均：

21.4分，9.4助攻，3.7籃板，48.4%命中率 38%三分命中率，25.8PER球員效率值，59%真實命中率， .209每48分鐘勝利貢獻值，76場比賽7.7VORP替換球員價值

CP3的季後賽表現和貢獻是歷史級別的。

註：我不想再被糾正我把凈正負值和上下場凈變化值搞混了這事兒了。後者是CP3領先聯盟的。來自於NBA官網新聞「當CP3在場時，快船每百回合凈勝對手14.9分，而當CP3不在場時則每百回合輸給對手5.3分。每百回合，是否上場分差為20.2分，上賽季在出場超過1000分鐘的球員中排名第一，第二是詹姆斯的16.3分。

[–]RocketsRocketsJumer 194 指標 11小時前

Morey did an AMA years ago and he put CP3 in his all time starting 5.

NBA Analytical Godfather appreciates CP3.

莫雷幾年前曾經接受過網友提問（AMA指的是在論壇發帖ask me anything。類似終於輪到我了大家有什麼想問的么？）其中一個回答中，他將CP3放進了他的歷史最佳先發五虎。

NBA的分析教父欣賞CP3。

[–][HOU] James Harden20MD20 31 指標 10小時前

21 PPG with the rest of his production (9.4 AST, literally engine of the offense) is absurd and definitely qualifies as a championship starting PG.

I can"t even call him a choker, he made big plays down the stretch in the playoffs all the time. I agree that he can"t simply take over the offense though and relies on a functioning set of players around him to be effective. It isn"t a situation where you throw him the ball like you would KD and say "yea get me a bucket"

場均得21分，連同他其他的數據貢獻一起看（9.4助攻，真正的進攻發動機）簡直是太扯了，絕對是夠格的冠軍級別先發控衛。

我絕對不會叫他季後賽軟蛋，他季後賽經常在關鍵時刻發威。保羅需要他的隊友按部就班地完成自己的本職工作，這樣他才能發揮高效。他所處的情況不太一樣，不可能說給保羅球讓他像KD一樣瘋狂得分接管比賽。

[–][DET] Richard Hamiltonmeherab 42 指標 9小時前

Nash gets 20/10 with a good team, gets praised. CP3 gets it while also playing amazing defense, called a playoff choker because his teams are never good enough

納什在一個不錯的隊伍中得到20分10助攻，得到讚美。CP3得到這數據並且還有很強的防守，被叫季後賽軟蛋因為他的隊伍不夠好（季後賽走不遠）。

[–]Wizardsireddit270 40 指標 9小時前*

The "Nash/Stockton >>>> Chris Paul" opinions on here are something else.

I"m not saying they don"t have an argument, but people ignore all evidence just to down Paul"s status as an all-time great

「納什或斯托克頓強於CP3」這種言論真是好迷啊

我不是說他們這論點離譜，只是，人們怎麼總是忽略各種證據，就為了詆毀CP3身為歷史級別球員的地位。

Stockton played with a top 3 player in the league (Malone) for his entire career and couldn"t get it done. Chris Paul has had to be the best player on every one of his teams, as a 6" guard, and his postseason numbers are still way better than Stockton"s.

Nash was awful on defense, to the point that he openly joked about it all the time but that gets brushed under the rug when people compare him to Paul (9x All-Defense selection)

斯托克頓整個生涯，身邊都有當時聯盟前三的球星（馬龍），還仍然無法贏到最後。CP3則必須在每一個他呆過的球隊里都作為最強球星，作為一個一米八幾的後衛，就這樣，他的季後賽數據仍然遠好過斯托克頓。

納什防守一團糟，糟到了他自己都經常公開自嘲的地步，但當人們拿納什和CP3對比的時候卻沒人提及（CP3生涯9次進入聯盟防守陣容）

[–]WeRightHere 50 指標 10小時前

How about being 10th all-time in assists and not even top 100 (113th currently) in turnovers?

這個如何：歷史前十的助攻數但失誤數甚至都沒到歷史前100（現在是113名）

[–]GrizzliesPrimevalRenewal90 63 指標 10小時前

CP3 is still better than Westbrook IMO, although I think Westbrook is the most exciting player in the league, along with Giannis

在我看來，CP3現在仍然好過了威少，雖然我覺得威少和字母哥是聯盟當今最讓人興奮的球星。

[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonMrVanillaIceTCube 31 指標 7小時前

What about Harden? 29-11-8 on 61.3% TS not including all his and-ones and 3 point fouls. CP3 18-9-5 on 61.4% TS. 56.2 points of offense to 39.8 points of offense (pts + ast pts created).

CP3 murders him in TOs (lmao 5.7 / 2.4 = 2.375 times as many) and most advanced stats. But Harden"s carrying an unfathomably greater workload and producing at an equal or higher efficiency.

哈登呢？29分11助8板，61.3%真實命中率不包括他那麼多打進加罰和三分造犯規。進攻端負責56.2分（包括得分及助攻隊友得分）。

CP3是18分9助5板，61.4%真實命中率。進攻端負責39.8分（包括得分及助攻隊友得分）。

CP3在失誤數據上暴虐了哈登（哈哈哈哈5.7除2.4=2.375倍啊）以及大多數高階數據。但是哈登肩扛了更多的工作負擔並且貢獻了差不多或更高的效率。

[–]Rocketshtown_hold_it_down 15 指標 8小時前

WB has 3-4 years of being elite left in him

His decline will be harsh and steep

威少還有3到4年的巔峰。

他的狀態下滑將是慘痛而劇烈的。

[–]New Jersey Netswafflesnsyrup 41 指標 10小時前

Chris Paul is the greatest pure point guard of all time

CP3是歷史上最棒的純控衛。

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