約翰-沃爾能否排進現役前十？他是保羅和威少綜合體的弱化版？

約翰-沃爾能否排進現役前十？他是保羅和威少綜合體的弱化版？

John Wall says he is a top 10 player in the NBA, Disagree"s with person who calls him top 5

約翰-沃爾認為自己只是聯盟前10，不認同別人將他排進前5的觀點。

[–]RaptorsMimi108 150 指標 15小時前

I swear John Wall is friend"s with everyone

我發誓沃爾對每個人都是友善的。

[–]Knickstommy_the_tit 6 指標 13小時前

not Reggie Jackson

除了雷吉-傑克遜。[譯註1]

[譯註1]：2015年雷吉拿到5年8000萬的合同，沃爾在接受採訪時說「我現在的薪水和雷吉一樣了」

[–]CavaliersKgb725 19 指標 12小時前

Who even likes Reggie Jackson ?

誰會真的喜歡雷吉-傑克遜呀。

[–]Lakers Bandwagonvictor396 23 指標 11小時前

Reggie Jackson

可能只有他自己吧。

[–]Wizards BandwagonJosh-Norman 332 指標 18小時前

I personally have him on the cusp of top 10 but it"s realistic that he"s a top 10 player. Also, it"s dope he"s been working out with Lebron a lot this offseason. I wonder how many players ask to work out with Bron or if he just invites them

在我心目中，沃爾跟前十擦肩而過。不過說他是前10的球員也不是什麼很扯淡的事情。另外，他這個休賽季跟詹姆斯訓練了不少次，蠻屌的。我比較好奇跟詹姆斯訓練的那幫球員是被詹姆斯邀請的還是自己主動提出的。

[–]Nuggets BandwagonPeanutJelly3 159 指標 17小時前

My top 8 is pretty much set in stone, and the last 2 spots I shuffle between Wall, Giannis, George and Butler.

我心目中的前8位穩如泰山，剩下的2個名額我會在沃爾，字母哥，喬治和巴特勒裡面猶豫一會。

[–]Wizardshappyflappypancakes 61 指標 16小時前

That"s very reasonable. I"d say he is 8-12 at high confidence.

這麼說很有道理，我很確定他會在8到12位之間。

[–]RocketsAkkuron 77 指標 15小時前

There"s no way he"s out of the top 12.

Lebron/KD/Curry/Kawhi/Harden/Russ are top 6 in whatever order you wanna put them in. Then it"s AD/CP3/Boogie/Wall/PG13/Butler/Giannis/KAT I guess. That"s 14 people, Wall has to be better than at least 2 of them. I"m taking him over KAT/Giannis (both still very young) and Boogie (has never achieved anything) for sure and I think he does have a case over PG13 and Butler as well, maybe even CP3 eventually as he ages.

For what it"s worth, I think a healthy Blake Griffin would be in that mix as well, but he hasn"t done much as of late. This year is his chance to return to the top 10.

我找不出任何理由將他排在12名開外。

樂邦/KD/庫里/卡哇伊/哈登/威少是前6無論你想怎麼排。接下來我認為就是濃眉/保羅/考辛斯/沃爾/保羅-喬治/巴特勒/字母哥/唐斯。這14個人里沃爾最少要把2個擠下去。我確信我會把他排在唐斯和字母哥（都還很年輕）還有考辛斯（榮譽簿里還沒有任何成就）之前，說他比喬治和巴特勒厲害一些也是有據可循的，可能隨著保羅的衰老，沃爾最終也將超越保羅。

還有一點，我覺得一個健康的布雷克-格里芬也會在這個討論範圍之內，但他目前還沒有展示出足夠的實力。今年會是他重回前10的好機會。

[–]BullsFire_Gar_pax 28 指標 11小時前

Boogie doesn"t belong in the tier you put him in

你把考辛斯放到這種巨星的層面很不科學呀。

[–]Wizardsjoezn 28 指標 14小時前

marc gasol?

那馬克-加索爾呢？

[–]Knickstommy_the_tit 90 指標 13小時前

below all those guys

比不過這些傢伙的。

[–]76ersShenshkanashkva 38 指標 17小時前

Who"s the 8th?

排第八的是誰。

[–]Nuggets BandwagonPeanutJelly3 166 指標 17小時前

CP3

保羅呀。

[–]KnicksHeroin_is_bad_mmmkay 5 指標 13小時前

what is the order of your 1-7?

前7位按順序你怎麼排。

[–]Nuggets BandwagonPeanutJelly3 34 指標 13小時前

Lebron, Durant, Curry, Kawhi, Harden, Westbrook, Davis in that order.

勒布朗，杜蘭特，庫里，卡哇伊，哈登，維斯布魯克，濃眉。

[–]jeffli23 88 指標 16小時前

I can see John go off next season

我可以預見沃爾下賽季會來個大爆發。

[–]Bulletskubideh_kaczynski 28 指標 17小時前

lebron so quiet

i guess he gives non-uninterrupted platforms the silent treatment lol

詹姆斯這個夏天太安靜了，我猜他把uninterrupted[譯註2]除外的社交平台都打入冷宮了哈哈。

[譯註2]：uninterrupted是詹姆斯旗下的運動員社交平台。

[–][WAS] Caron Butlerzebearjew2 21 指標 14小時前

Man normally we see John kicking back and looking a lil thick in the offseason. Hes looking in really good shape RN

一般來說，休賽期的沃爾都是享受生活、肚子上長呼啦圈的發福版沃爾。可是這個休賽期的沃爾身材保持得相當不錯。

[–][NYK] Anthony MasonBlueHundred 50 指標 16小時前

I think this is wall"s year to be in MVP conversations. He"s healthy unlike the beginning of last season and just came off amazing playoff averages. He"s also able to work out and improve this offseason

我想今年討論MVP的候選名單中會有沃爾的一席之地。總的來說他的健康狀況不像上賽季開始時那麼糟糕，並且剛帶隊完成了一次令人難忘的季後賽之旅。他還在這個休賽季不斷提升和完善自己。

[–]turdferguson94 46 指標 14小時前

Most importantly, 18 nationally televised games so people will actually pay attention to the Wizards

最重要的一點是，奇才這賽季有18場全美直播，這樣一來終於有人能關注奇才的比賽了！

[–]shanmustafa 68 指標 17小時前*

Just curious on what people think on this, I think Russ is better than Wall, I do, but is there something russ is actually better at, I know counting numbers russ has him in probably everthing, but I think shooting wise wall is a little better, they"re both average, I think Wall is a better finisher, he"s a better playmaker, he"s a better defender, he"s faster , to me, just the athlete russ is

I think what makes Russ better is his motor, it"s the same reason why I think Iverson was so good, he wasn"t as skilled as a lot of player, but the skills and talent he did have + his motor, made him better

比較好奇JRs對這個觀點有什麼看法，我也認為威少整體上比沃爾更出色，不過在某些方面威少真的更優秀嗎？單純看數據的話，威少可能全包圍沃爾，但我覺得沃爾投籃好一些，他們都是平均水平的射手，只不過沃爾是個更好的終結者，也是個更好的組織者和防守人，速度上也更快。我感覺威少只是運動能力更出眾。

在我看來威少更牛逼的依據在於他那源源不斷的能量，這同樣也是艾弗森的過人之處。他的技巧性或許比不上其他球員，但以他所擁有的技巧和天賦再加上驚人的體力，使得他能排在更靠前的位置。

[–]76ersSimmons2embiiD 83 指標 17小時前

I dont think he is the same level of athlete.

john wall is an amazing athlete but westbrook can take it to another level, and sustain that level, for long stretches of the game.

its probably more just the mental state Russ has, but whatever it is seems noticeable to me when I watch him specifically. if its on the line, I really think his brain stops registering physical limitations....he really grinds and pushes it to the extreme.

edit: thats not to say he is more engaged or plays smarter. but im saying, 5 minutes left on the game and they have to prove who the better athlete is, I think russ runs away with it

我不認為他們的運動能力處於同一個級別。

沃爾有著出色的運動天賦但維斯布魯克的天賦已經突破天際了，而且他會將這種逆天的運動能力延伸到比賽中的每分每秒。

其實更值得關注的是威少精神層面上的東西，在我仔細研究完他的比賽之後這點很明顯吸引了我。如果他打嗨了，我十分肯定他的大腦會關掉身體機能的報警裝置，並且不斷消耗和推動自己達到極限狀態。

PS：這不是說他顯得更可靠了或打得更聰明了。我要表達的是，當你想證明在一場比賽最後5分鐘誰還有更好的運動能力時，我認為威少是毫無疑問的那一位。

[–]DottsBaller5 33 指標 17小時前

Wall reminds me of a hybrid of Russ and CP3. Not AS athletic as Russ, and has that similar type of floor General, mid range game that CP3 has, obviously not as good as him either

沃爾我覺得更像是威少和保羅的結合體。在運動天賦上不及威少，但有和威少相似的場上指揮官屬性。和保羅一樣有一手漂亮的中距離投射，但卻沒保羅穩定。

[–]turdferguson94 21 指標 14小時前

He"s the 2nd best of each of their playing styles but is a half-step worse athlete than Russ (who is not from the Earth) and worse shooter (and thus, half court player) than CP3

他在那兩種比賽風格里都能排在第二位，就是運動天賦比起威少（那個來自另外一個星球的傢伙）差半截，而且投射能力（當然，放在半場來說）比保羅要差一丟丟。

[–]Wizardshappyflappypancakes 21 指標 16小時前

Russ is definitely a better scorer, like not really comparable. Russ does it at crazy volume, I guarantee if Wall tried to score 32 points a game for a season it would be at just god awful efficiency.

威少很明顯是一個更好的得分手，這根本就不存在可比性。威少擁有著無與倫比的得分數量，我敢保證如果沃爾嘗試一個賽季場均32分他的效率絕對低得令人髮指。

[–]Suns Bandwagontoasty_- 102 指標 18小時前

If I don"t think he"s a top 10 player, does that make me insane? I"ve always had him at 11

如果我不把他放進前10，大家會覺得我是瘋子嗎？我一直將他排在第11位。

[–]Wizards BandwagonJosh-Norman 104 指標 18小時前

Not at all. AD, PG, DMC and CP3 all have realistic arguments to be above him

你當然不是瘋子了。濃眉、喬治、考辛斯和保羅都有足夠的乾貨支撐他們居於沃爾之上。

[–]NBAbayesian_acolyte 163 指標 16小時前

Saying that CP3 has a realistic argument to be above Wall is like saying Lebron has a realistic argument to be a top 5 player in the league.

（沒必要這麼委婉地）說保羅有足夠的乾貨支撐他在沃爾之上，這就

像在說詹姆斯有足夠的乾貨支撐其位居聯盟前五一樣（多餘）。

[–]Clippersmjisbest 44 指標 15小時前

Steph Curry has a realistic argument to be a great shooter

就好像在說，庫里是個好射手也是有依有據的。

[–]Knicksunc54 56 指標 17小時前

PG? I don"t even think he"s top 15 tbh

保羅-喬治？老實說我都不把他當作前15的。

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