最佳防守球員會花落誰家？恩比德、KD、羅伯森、喬治等不相伯仲

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最佳防守球員會花落誰家？恩比德、KD、羅伯森、喬治等不相伯仲

Defensive stats of potential DPOY Candidates

本賽季年度最佳防守球員競爭者的高階防守數據如下。

圖中數據從左至右分別為：SPG：場均搶斷BPG：場均蓋帽DRtg：在場時每百回合對手得分DWS：防守貢獻值DBPM：凈防守正負值DRPM：真實防守正負值DFG%：對位球員命中率Deflections：場均干擾傳球次數Contested 2PT shots：有效兩分防守Contested 3PT shots：有效三分防守

[–]76ersboggles0087 76 指標 10小時前

Interesting that Embiid has the lowest DFG% when the majority of shots he defends are close to the rim. Average distance from rim on defended shots would be a good stat to see.

76人球迷：有意思!大帝是這份榜單中把對手命中率控制在最低的球員，要知道他可是主要在籃筐附近防守（通常籃筐附近的命中率本應該最高）。有沒有數據能顯示防守人的對位球員投籃時和籃筐的平均距離？這數據應該挺值得一看的。

[–]impulsivelion 44 指標 9小時前

what about "change in opponent fg%". So compare how a defender does to their opponent"s average... I think that"s a stat out there somewhere

有沒有「對位球員命中率變動」的技術統計？通過將對手平均命中率和該場命中率作出比較，這數據能體現出防守者到底把對位球員限制的有多好。我猜這數據肯定有統計，就是我不知道在哪。

[–]WarriorsMyOtherAltIsAHuman 10 指標 5小時前

I keep spamming this, but it"s DFG% DIFF.

我一直在四處科普，你說的這個技術統計叫防守球員命中率差異。

[–]impulsivelion 9 指標 4小時前

thanks! oh and look at that, embiid and durant are 1 and 2.

謝了老哥！瞧瞧，大帝和KD分列1，2名。

[–]76ersRman1005 3 指標 2小時前

The difference Embiid makes the second he steps on the court is absurd. Team"s get whatever they want at the basket when he sits.

76人球迷：大帝上場後給防守端帶來的變化是立竿見影的。當大帝在場下時，76人簡直成了提款機。

[–]Netscobrotherhood 28 指標 8小時前

9.5 shots defended per game at 38.8% is ludicrous

大帝在場均9.5次的投籃防守中可以把對手的命中率限制在38.8%，這特么太假了吧。

[–]76ersAmenz 4 指標 5小時前

The man wants to block every shot possible its pretty funny sometimes

76人球迷：大帝有時候是想蓋的越多越好，有時候看起來挺喜感的。

[–]SpursGolai77 2 指標 7小時前

How often does he foul though? He was great defending the rim last year as well, but iirc he fouled a ton, which negates some of that aggressiveness and impact.

不懂就問，那麼恩比德的犯規數得有多少啊？恩比德去年的護筐防守一樣出色，但是如果我沒記錯的話，他當時的犯規可不少吧？過多的犯規降低了他場上的侵略性和影響力。

[–]76erssharke93 13 指標 7小時前

He"s averaging 3.5 fouls a game which is about the same as last year, but he"s playing more minutes this year so he"s improved a bit in that regard.

76人球迷：和去年一樣，場均3.5犯。但是考慮到他今年出場時間的增多，大帝在控制犯規方面進步了不少啊。

[–]CelticsTroyAtWork 144 指標 9小時前

I know people don"t really think of rebounds as a defensive stat, but to me they definitely are and should at least be in the conversation when discussing DPOY. Defensive rebounds signify the end of the defensive possession. It doesn"t matter how well you defend if you give the other team another chance.

凱爾特人球迷：很多球迷都不把籃板看作防守數據，但是我認為籃板絕對算得上防守的一部分，至少籃板應該是評估最佳防守球員標準的一部分。防守籃板意味著本次防守回合的結束，防的再好，漏了籃板也等於白費。

After watching the Celtics give up offensive rebound after offensive rebound the past few years (luckily not so much this season unless your name is Enes Kanter), the importance of rebounding is really understated. There have been so many times where I watch our defense lock down the other team for 24 seconds, only to give up second- and third-chance points.

這幾年我凱的前場板都被搶爆了（還好本賽季這現象有所改觀，當然如果對手是埃內斯-只拿前場板-坎特的話就另當別論了），我想說籃板的重要性被大家低估了。我看到好幾次我凱球員拚命防守把對方防到24秒，然而最後卻漏了籃板，讓對手打出二次甚至三次得分。

[–]BucksLastFirstism 35 指標 8小時前

Yeah, and it also helps put block stats in context. Being able to block a lot of shots while grabbing defensive rebounds is a lot different than blocking shots by just selling out on the boards and jumping at everything. Someone like Javale McGee will have inflated block stats because they just sell out on defensive rebounding.

樓上說得對，另外我們還要分情況看蓋帽數據。在有把握拿到防守籃板情況下的蓋帽，和那種不管不顧隨便一扇送給對方前場板還喜歡瞎瘠薄跳的蓋帽是截然不同的。比如麥基蓋帽數據明顯虛高，因為他只是把本可以拿下的防守籃板轉換成蓋帽，將球權拱手相讓。

[–]Thunderunburntmotherofdrags 14 指標 8小時前

It"s hard to quantify the importance of single player rebounds tho, for instance someone like Robes will naturally pull down fewer rebounds, because u dont want him running your fastbreak, and he"s way more useful on the perimeter than in the paint, so few opportunities. Comparing that to someone like Embiid/Adams/Drummond who really only flourish in the paint is kinda unfair.

雷霆球迷：但是還是很難量化一位球員籃板數據的重要性啊，舉個例子，羅伯森這樣的球員的籃板數據通常較低，因為你不能指望讓蘿蔔拿下籃板發動快攻，他在外線起到的作用顯然比在內線的大，所以蘿蔔很少有機會可以拿到籃板。當蘿蔔和恩比德，亞當斯還有德拉蒙德這些純種內線神獸比較防守時，拿籃板作為根據之一挺不公平的。

[–][GSW] Baron DavisCommandersLog 4 指標 7小時前

That"s why it"s generally hard for wings to win DPOY though. Rim protection is a huge part of defense, which also allows for more boards.

這就是為什麼通常來講鋒線球員很難得到DPOY。護框能力是防守能力的很大一部分，而且在內線防守通常能得到更多的籃板。

[–]MavericksLickMyDoncic 84 指標 10小時前

Those deflections though, PG loves fucking with passing lanes.

看看喬治場均干擾傳球的次數（4.9次），他一定超喜歡干翻對手的傳球路線。

[–]Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuddy 6 指標 3小時前

Crazy thing is that he"s not gambling too much, he"s mostly sticking his arms out and has quick hands.

可怕的是，其實泡椒並沒有很多的賭博式搶斷，他主要是一直把雙臂張開，手也很快。

[–]Yung_Parolo 132 指標 10小時前

In my personal opinion Roberson has legit been the best defensive player this season.

我個人認為，羅伯森真的算是本賽季最好的防守球員了。

[–][OKC] Steven Adamslegendariusss 75 指標 10小時前

It seemed like PG and stats wise it could be with the steals and deflections but when you watch every game that Roberson absolutely mercs his man nearly every time. And his man is always their best guard or wing.

雷霆球迷：喬治好像可能性更大，尤其是顯示在數據上的干擾傳球和搶斷數更為他競爭DPOY增加了籌碼。不過當你真正看了雷霆的比賽，你會發現蘿蔔每場比賽都會鎖死他的防守人——當家後衛或者鋒線。

George plays monster D and can switch easily to their best player too but Robes gluing himself to the opposing teams best player gives George a lot of lee way in regards to playing lanes as well as guarding not as good players.

喬治這賽季的防守是怪獸級的，他同樣可以在換防中盯緊對方當家球員，但是蘿蔔才是那個死貼對方最強球員一整場的那個人，是他的付出釋放了喬治防守端的一部分壓力，讓喬治可以遊刃有餘的干擾對方傳球路線和防守不是那麼強的對位球員了。

Like today Robes has Derozan while Kyle was with Russ. Paul George basically chilled on OG or switched easy with Robes

像對猛龍的那場比賽，蘿蔔主盯德羅贊，威少盯著洛瑞。喬治基本上只是凍結了阿奴諾比以及時不時的和羅伯森換防罷了。

[–]TimberwolvesSakattack19 11 指標 10小時前

I just don"t think the has the impact Green has. He is a phenomenal defender on the perimeter but he can"t guard 1-5 nor is he the defensive anchor for their team.

我不認為喬治有追夢那樣的防守影響力。喬治是一名現象級外線防守者沒錯，但是他不能從1號位防到5號位，他也不是雷霆防守端的中流砥柱。

[–]eeeeeeethan 1 指標 9小時前

Draymond is a very rare case, usually one is either a impactful rim protecting big or lock-down perimeter defender

追夢這例子也太特殊了吧，通常來說一名球員要麼只能成為出色的護框能力防守長人，要麼只能當一個外線防守大閘。只有追夢集兩種屬性於一身。

[–]TimberwolvesSakattack19 31 指標 9小時前

Sure, but that"s who we need to compare DPOY candidates to.

話倒是沒錯，但是大家競爭DPOY時還不都得要和追夢比啊。

[–]Thundera_prk 41 指標 9小時前

DFG% 38.8 for Durant? That"s insane.

KD把對手的命中率控制在了38.8%？瘋了。

[–]Warriorsuntouchable765 52 指標 10小時前

DFG% 44.6% for PG compared to 38.8% for KD. Interested to know why the gap is so big there. Also Draymond leading DBPM as expected.

勇士球迷：喬治的對手命中率位44.6%，相比KD的38.8%，很好奇他倆這數據咋會差那麼多。另外，正如預料，庄神在DBPM（凈防守正負值）統計中領跑全聯盟。

[–]PelicansGood_NewsEveryone 37 指標 10小時前

Probably just noise in a noisy stat

這項數據波動比較大，可能只是噪音（波動）罷了。

[–][OKC] Russell WestbrookAnti_Thon 52 指標 10小時前

PG guards the best players on the other team a lot. That』s usually Klay』s job and Durant is more of a weakside shot blocker/ rim protector.

雷霆球迷：泡椒經常防對方球隊的最強球員。而在勇士隊，這通常都是克萊的活。杜蘭特更多的時承擔弱側投籃蓋帽手和籃筐保護者的角色。

[–]Senseisntsocommon 36 指標 10小時前

Eh if it"s a guard Roberson gets the responsibility more often than George. For example Roberson got Harden against Houston. Depending on the team PG is being used on defense similar to how they used Lebron in Miami as that free safety type defender to jump passing lanes.

如果對方箭頭人物是後衛的話，講道理相比喬治，蘿蔔盯防對方最強球員的次數顯然更多。比如對陣火箭那場是蘿蔔主防哈登。由於球隊防守戰術的原因，泡椒在防守端的角色比較像熱火時期的，勒布朗都是那種干擾對方傳球路線類型的防守者。

[–][MIL] Giannis Antetokounmpoparkertokounmpo 12 指標 10小時前

He also guarded Giannis (probably the best Giannis defender), so it』s not just guards.

蘿蔔同樣防過字母哥（他可能也是防字母哥防的最好的那位），所以說蘿蔔並不是只防後衛。

[–]Warriorsuntouchable765 45 指標 10小時前*

Roberson? Klay defends the best guards but not wing players. Depends on the team they"re playing. A lot of great guards in this league but also SF/PF.

PG guards the best players on the other team a lot.

So this isn"t really true.

羅伯森和克萊他倆所在的球隊情況不大一樣，克萊一直防守優秀的後衛，但是不會去防鋒線球員。然而羅伯森，除了防守聯盟中優秀的後衛，時不時還會防一些頂級鋒線球員。

引用「泡椒總是防對方球隊最優秀的球員。」

所以這句話並不是真的。

[–][GSW] Kevon LooneymaybeAriadne 201 指標 10小時前

Whoa, if Detroit had better team defense numbers I"d totally be on the Drummond DPOY train. As it is I gotta stand by our guy

勇士球迷：哇，如果活塞的球隊整體防守數據更好的話我鐵定會支持庄神拿最佳防守球員到底的。不過看起來我勇的球隊防守更好，所以我只能支持我勇的人啦。

[–]Warriorssquatgs 77 指標 10小時前

Which one? Lol

勇士球迷：哪一個，2333。

[–]CelticsJimboujee 35 指標 8小時前

This shit ain"t fair

凱爾特人球迷：卧槽，這太不公平了吧。

[–]EastPM_ME_UR_BEST_STORY_ 16 指標 6小時前

At least they only have 2 dark horse MVP candidates

沒事兒，最起碼他勇只有兩匹黑馬能競爭MVP。哎....

[–]NBAurfaselol 121 指標 9小時前

Durant. I think Draymond has missed a lot of games thus far and Durant"s impact defensively has been very apparent this year

我認為阿杜會拿最佳防守球員，目前為止追夢已經缺席了不少比賽，並且杜蘭特今年在防守端的影響力也是有目共睹的。

[–][GSW] Kevon LooneymaybeAriadne 15 指標 10小時前

Either"s fine, though I do hope KD at least gets 1st team All Defense

勇士球迷：這倆誰拿都行，我只希望KD今年至少能進一防。

[–]Spursmdivan 18 指標 7小時前

Going to be between KD and PG this year. its a shame Kawhi was hurt early would have been even more dope competition.

馬刺球迷：今年最佳防守球員的爭奪將在KD和泡椒之間展開。可惜今年小卡傷太久了，要不競爭本可以更慘烈。

[–]76ersI_told_you_so_mfer 16 指標 6小時前

Today is such a golden age for wings. Lbj, Kwahi, Kd, Giannis, Jimmy Buckets, PG, etc... It"s like the center position of the 90"s

現如今真是鋒線盛世。詹姆斯、小卡、阿杜、字母哥、巴特勒、泡椒等等。和90年代的中鋒盛世有一比啊。

[–]Knicksiretalia16 88 指標 10小時前

I"ve been trying to avoid this bandwagon but I think it"s Durant right now. Best defender on the best defensive team in the league, while second in blocks per game (Myles Turner .03 points ahead according to ESPN). He"s been a defensive force defending the perimeter and the paint

我不是說要見風使舵，但是我認為現在最佳防守球員的最有力競爭者是KD。聯盟最強防守球隊中的最強防守者，同時在聯盟蓋帽榜中位列第二（根據ESPN官方數據僅落後特納0.03個蓋帽）。無論是外線還是禁區，他都是球隊防守端的中堅力量。

[–]Factsgawd 41 指標 10小時前

Seriously, everyone thinks it』s nonsense but like Draymond said, they』ll never give him the recognition he deserves(the fans, hopefully the voters will,) because of his reputation as an all time great scorer.

港真，人們都覺得阿杜今年不可能拿最佳防守球員，但是就像格林說的那樣，由於阿杜偉大的得分手的屬性早就名聲在外，他們（這裡指球迷們，但我還是希望最佳防守球員的投票記者能夠思想開放些）永遠不會給予阿杜足夠的認可。

[–]Knicksiretalia16 23 指標 10小時前

I think the voters will at the least grant him a deserved spot on one of the All-defense teams. In fairness though it is a little out-of-nowhere. He never sucked at defense but wasn"t a super-plus on that end either. Really evolved into a very good defender last year and a stud this year.

我認為那些投票的人至少會在最佳防守陣容中給阿杜留個位置。公平的講今年阿杜防守端的表現有點橫空出世。阿杜在防守端從來沒水過，但是他在防守端的加持作用也沒特別大。他從去年一個非常好的防守者進化成今年的防守端種馬了。

[–]WarriorsIonkkll 18 指標 9小時前

Ron Adams is the real MVP

勇士球迷：Ron Adams（勇士助教）是真正的MVP。

[–]WizardsVswerve27 26 指標 10小時前

Roberson or PG. Especially if the thunder end up being the best defense.

我覺得最佳防守球員會在泡椒和羅伯森兩人中產生。要是雷霆在賽季結束時防守排聯盟第一的話就更有可能了。

[–]Thunderunburntmotherofdrags 8 指標 8小時前

Robes over PG quite handily in my eyes. PG is definitely top 5 this year though, but just feel like we really saw how fucked we are without Robes in his abscense.

雷霆球迷：在我眼中，羅伯森防守比喬治還是要強出不少的。泡椒絕對是今年最佳防守球員的前五競爭者，但是想想蘿蔔缺陣的那幾場我雷打成啥樣了？

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