30勝21負為詹姆斯近10年來最差，騎士仍能出東部嗎？
30勝21負為詹姆斯近10年來帶隊最差戰績，騎士還能否殺出東部？
The Cavs 30-21 start is the worst record through 51 games of a Lebron James led team in nearly a decade.
今年騎士的30勝21負開局是近10年來勒布朗-詹姆斯帶領的球隊的最差51場戰績。
James hasn"t had a worst start through 51 games since his 07-08 season with the Cavaliers. That team was 29-22, and would end up losing in the second round of the playoffs.
07-08賽季以來，勒布朗-詹姆斯未打出過比這更差的開局51場比賽表現。2007-08賽季，詹姆斯所在的騎士隊開局僅獲得29勝22負的戰績，最終在季後賽第二輪被淘汰。
[–]Charlotte HornetsVgatv 515 指標 16小時前
The Cavs are in all sorts of trouble. When Love comes back, assuming he comes back right at the end of the 8 weeks, the Cavs will have at most 7 games before the playoffs to gel as a team. Seven games for their Big 3 to play together before the games start to really matter. They are 2 games out from the 7 seed and facing the Raptors/Celtics in the first round. That would be a rough first round pull for a team still learning to play together.
騎士現在真是內外交困了。如果樂福能在8周後傷愈歸來，那麼騎士在季後賽前就將僅有最多7場比賽去進行球隊磨合。留給三巨頭磨合的時間只有七場，這七場之後比賽就真的開始有意義了，季後賽了嘛。
他們現在只領先東部第七兩個勝場，要再輸下去，就需要在第一輪迎戰猛龍或者凱爾特人。他們是個還在磨合中的球隊，猛龍和凱爾特人對他們來說都太難打了。
[–]pixelcowboy 17 指標 11小時前
What big 3? IT looks terrible after the injury.
什麼三巨頭？以賽亞-托馬斯傷病後看起來打得真得很糟糕。
[–][LAL] Steve Blakepawshytm 106 指標 13小時前
Big 2, Little 1
雙巨頭，一小頭。
[–]Bullsjames-1990 49 指標 12小時前
Two and a Half Men?
好漢兩個半？
[–]noerapenalty 293 指標 14小時前
As awesome as the Celtics and Raps are this season, I』d still be shakin in my sneaks a bit to face the Cavs in the first round haha sucks to start the playoffs on such a hard series when you』re such a high seed and earned an easier one lol
就算凱爾特人和猛龍這賽季打得很好，第一輪碰騎士的話，換我我還是會有點害怕的。本來第一號種子應該第一輪打得容易，結果第一輪系列賽就這麼艱難，實在是太煩人了。
[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonardjimalloneword 21 指標 13小時前
They"d probably be scared but you have to beat the best to win it all anyway
球員可能是會有點怕。但是想要贏得總冠軍，龍凱早晚要擊敗最出色的對手。
[–]VenerableHate 29 指標 12小時前
Not sure why they would be scared at this point. Lebron/Love are the only things that are remotely worth worrying about. No Kyrie makes them so much less deadly. Plus they have Isaiah Thomas now who teams will be able to just murder every game if they don"t do the smart thing and trade him before the deadline.
我覺得都現在了，他們不至於害怕吧？詹姆斯和樂福是他們唯二需要稍稍擔心的點，凱里-歐文不在，騎士的殺傷力大減。另外，他們現有還擁有小托馬斯，如果騎士不做出明智選擇在交易截止日前交易他，其他球隊（對陣騎士時）就會對他展開屠殺。
[–]shadowsizzler 170 指標 14小時前
Almost like when Marc Gasol was out for a bit and griz fell to 7 seed I think and faced the thunder in the first round and went 7 Games .... I loved that series.
就像當時馬克-加索爾傷停了一陣子，灰熊直接跌到七號種子，在一輪對上雷霆，最後打到搶七。那輪比賽看得真爽。
[–][ATL] Rasheed WallaceFalconsHawksBulldogs 75 指標 12小時前
Grizzlies would』ve won that series if Z-Bo didn』t get suspended.
如果當時扎克-蘭多夫沒有被停賽的話，灰熊就能贏下那場系列賽了。
[–]ThunderPiano_Fingerbanger 29 指標 9小時前
Grizzlies would』ve won that series if Z-Bo didn』t get suspended. punch Steven Adams.
FTFY
如果當時扎克-蘭多夫沒有被停賽出手打史蒂文-亞當斯的話，灰熊就能贏下那場系列賽了。替你改了。
[–]Jazzjwinskowski 285 指標 13小時前
What"s crazy is they"ve been hot garbage for weeks and they"re still at 30-21...
最瘋狂的是，騎士隊這幾周打得像垃圾一樣，然而仍然打出了30勝21負的戰績。
[–]BullsxSepulcherx 159 指標 12小時前
They"d probably be right around .500 if they hadn"t had 13 game win streak early in the season where Lebron was playing like an MVP.
如果本賽季初詹姆斯沒有打得像MVP一樣率隊連贏13場，那騎士現在也就在50%的勝率附近晃悠吧。
[–]yoyowatup 123 指標 11小時前
Bron was playing better than an mvp lol. He was like 30-10-10 on 67 ts% during that stretch. Completely unsustainable
詹姆斯那幾場打得比MVP還好啊，30+10+10外加67%真實命中率。這種魔鬼表現確實完全不可持續。
[–]randolph117 29 指標 11小時前
Yeah its crazy how everyone was saying hes at his peak with a a FG of 40+ at the 3. Now we see his numbers went back to his career averages.
對啊，他三分命中率40+%的時候所有人都說他現在還在巔峰。現在他的數據又回到他的職業生涯平均水準了。
[–]yoyowatup 17 指標 11小時前
I mean if lebron could consistently shoot 40 percent from 3 averaging 30-10-10 and he was playing solid defense at that point too. I mean that』s like head and shoulders best player ever.
這話說的，如果詹姆斯能穩定地場均三分命中率40%、30+10+10（那幾場防守也很不錯），那他絕對就是歷史上最強球員了。
[–]LakersDarkSoulsDarius 3 指標 9小時前
He was not playing solid defense. Do y"all really need to make stuff up to praise him. He hasnt played solid defense in a few years.
湖人球迷：他那幾場防守不行。你們為了讚美他也沒必要瞎編亂造吧？他這好幾年防守都不行了。
[–]yoyowatup 17 指標 9小時前
That』s just not true and I didn』t make it up. Also last years playoffs he was really good defensively until the finals. On the win streak he wasn』t DPOY caliber or anything, and he still had lack of effort moments but overall he was solid and in 4th quarters he took the toughest assignments be it porzingis, Schroeder, griffin, really whoever. His defense was a big part in the win streak.
你這是胡說八道，我也根本沒有編。去年季後賽他的防守一直很棒，除了總決賽。連勝期間他確實也不是最佳防守球員那個等級的防守，有時候也會偷懶，但是總體上他防守很紮實，而且第四節他都會擔起重任，防最難防的點，什麼波爾津吉斯、施羅德、格里芬之類的。連勝的軍功章絕對有他的防守一份。
[–]Cavalierscaughtinthought 12 指標 11小時前
And you know he"s kind of an outlier because people were acting like it was "just Bron"... 30-10-10 with that roster is absolutely fucking insane.
騎士球迷：當時人們表現得好像「驚訝什麼，這就是勒布朗的常規操作」，通過這個你就能看出來勒布朗領先他人一檔的地方了。帶著騎士那段時間的陣里打出30+10+10絕對是很特娘的天才。
[–]Buckskharathos 9 指標 10小時前
He was actually doing what westbrook did last year. Only difference is we were used to the Cavs being a good team, so it didn"t seem out of place.
詹姆斯那段時間是在複製威斯布魯克去年打出過的表現。區別就是我們習慣了騎士打得好，所以當時看起來就沒那麼奇怪。
[–]yoyowatup 8 指標 11小時前
Yeah I mean even during the win streak they weren』t that good. They kept games close and then in the 4th lebron would go win the game. But at least with Calderon it kept everyone active, and TT wasn』t sucking oxygen on the court at that point either.
我的意思是他們在連勝期間其實也沒有打得多好，幾乎場場膠著，然後等詹姆斯在第四節贏下比賽。不過至少卡爾德隆把所有人都串聯起來了，TT也沒有跑到場上浪費氧氣（連勝期間傷停)。
[–]chrisrodm 238 指標 17小時前
How far down the rankings do people think Cavs could fall? Its only 5 games back to 9th place right now. The wiz, heat, pacers, bucks, 6ers and pistons are all capable of putting together some wins right now.
你們覺得騎士能跌到榜單第幾位啊？騎士現在只領先東部第九五個勝場。奇才、熱火、步行者、雄鹿、76人和活塞現在都有能力打出連勝。
[–]BullsDadAttitude 152 指標 15小時前
Holy shit are they really going to be struggling to sneak into the playoffs? They need to re-tool asap.
靠，騎士真得要費勁進季後賽？他們現在是真的得補充人手了啊！
[–]chrisrodm 104 指標 15小時前
Well I"m sure almost no one is truly concerned about that possibility. but its not so far fetched unless something changes. they really dont look like they want to play for one another.
我覺得沒人會真的擔心騎士進不了季後賽，但如果他們不立刻做出改變的話，可能這也不會是太離譜的猜測。這些球員看起來是真得不和。
[–]BullsDadAttitude 121 指標 15小時前
Who would have thought a defensively-challenged, 5』9」, thirty-year old coming off a major injury whose value was magnified by an elite coach would be worse than Kyrie Irving?
誰能想到，一個防守不行、身高1.75m、剛剛受過大傷、自身價值很大程度上是被一個精英教頭給放大了的快30歲了的球員會比凱里-歐文還差呢？TX。
[–]BullsTheStryfe 110 指標 13小時前
A vocal majority on this sub thought he would improve the Cavs lmao
這個論壇絕大部分人當初還覺得他能補強騎士呢，笑死了。
[–]Raptorsjermcnama 43 指標 13小時前
They』d have to go 11-20 the rest of the way to potentially miss the playoffs. Making their record 41-41.
如果他們想直接失去進入季後賽的資格，那剩下幾場得打出一個11勝20負的表現來，總成績將是勝負各41場。
[–]BullsTheStryfe 49 指標 13小時前
Honestly I feel like that would fit expectations of how they"ve been playing this season
說實話，我覺得這還真是個符合他們近來表現的戰績。
[–]Raptorsjermcnama 37 指標 13小時前
Oh it』s possible. They』re 6-12 in their last 18.
Lots of games against sub .500 teams coming up though.
不是沒可能啊，過去18場他們打出來一個6勝12負。不過後面很多比賽都是打排名後半段的魚腩球隊了。
[–]DeLoRiggidy 23 指標 9小時前
The second they hit 5th seed LeBron is going 35 point triple double mode and pulling then back up
如果他們成為東部第五，詹姆斯會立刻開啟場均35分三雙模式，然後力挽狂瀾。
[–][NYK] Tracy McGradyHoboWithAGlock 20 指標 10小時前
There is absolutely 0 chance that LeBron lets them miss the playoffs.
I can see him going finals mode for a bit if he genuinelly felt like the team might not get there.
詹姆斯是絕對不會讓球隊錯失季後賽的。如果他真覺得球隊可能要輸，他可是要火力全開、變成總決賽模式的。
[–][MIN] Brandon RoyDalamari 682 指標 17小時前
What if I told you in 2011 a team with Rose, Lebron, and Kevin Love wasn"t the favorite to win their conference.
如果我2011年的時候告訴你一支有羅斯、詹姆斯和樂福的球隊不是東部的頭號種子，你會不會以為我瘋了。
[–]LakersMiopTop 138 指標 17小時前
I would have been more surprised if a team with Rose, LeBron and D-Wade wasn"t favorite to win their conference.
如果你告訴我一支有羅斯、詹姆斯和韋德的球隊不是他們賽區的頭號球隊，我會更驚訝。
[–][MIL] Thon Makernomitycs 278 指標 17小時前
But they are tho
It should be What if i told you a team with Lebron, still the best player in the world, Wade, Rose and Love aren』t the favourites to win the chip
他們怎麼不是啊。
應該是：如果我告訴你一個有詹姆斯（仍是全世界最好的球員）、韋德、羅斯和樂福的球隊不是總冠軍的頭號競爭者，你怎麼想？
[–][LAL] Kobe BryantChampagnesoda 197 指標 17小時前
With a former MVP candidate coming off a 30 ppg season
隊里還有個前任MVP候選人，上賽季剛場均30分。
[–]NetsLiaM_CS 76 指標 12小時前
And Jae Crowder
這個隊還有傑-克羅德。
[–]niggabiggatigga 58 指標 12小時前
And JR SMITH the man who scored the most points vs the rockets
還有對火箭得分最多的JR-史密斯。
[–]TimberwolvesSnarfSniffsStardust 23 指標 10小時前
He already mentioned crowder earlier.
"Still the best player in the world"
他已經提到過克勞德啦，你看那句「全世界最好的球員」。
[–]Cavalierscaughtinthought 53 指標 11小時前
I mean I could say in 2025 Durant and Curry aint winning shit. LBJ and DWade are like mid-30s now...
騎士球迷：我也可以說2025年杜蘭特和庫里搭檔一樣兩手空空。詹姆斯和韋德都是三十四五歲的老漢啦。
[–][CHI] Pau GasolFelmaeggy 57 指標 10小時前
When I first read 2025 I was like man that"s in a really long time. It"s wierd that 2011 and 2025 are the same amount of time apart from where we are right now. Maybe I"m just high Idk mam
我剛讀到2025年的時候心想，我靠，那還早著呢。但是轉念一想，2011年到今年的時間，和今年到2025年的時間，是一樣長的呀，可能我就是抽麻抽嗨了吧。
[–]Kekukoka 19 指標 12小時前
End the meme. No one is worried about cleveland.
這話題沒意思。沒人擔心騎士隊。
[–]TimberwolvesThatHotAsian 56 指標 12小時前
I mean out of all the Eastern teams I"d still bet on the Cavs.
森林狼球迷：所有東部球隊里，我還是會押注在騎士隊身上。
[–]Pacers2BricksLikeKubrick 27 指標 11小時前
I understand this is the most dysfunctional they』ve ever been... but it』s not playoffs time and I』m not betting against Lebron James. He』s earned that at least. I still think he can turn it on and do some damage. Also, they still have the second half of the season to truly figure it out.
步行者球迷：我知道這確實是騎士隊最癱瘓的情況了，但這也不是季後賽，我更不會賭詹姆斯要輸，他的實力讓人不會賭他輸。我仍然覺得他還可以開啟野獸模式、製造破壞，而且他們還有半個賽季去搞清楚該怎麼打呢。
[–]Raptorsthegreatprofessor 16 指標 11小時前
As much as LeBron can do, if the rest of the team is playing like this they』re in a very bad spot.
詹姆斯是很能打，但是如果球隊其他人還打得像這樣，那他們可真得情況不妙。
[–][MIA] Rodney McGruderjoshrichardsonsson 13 指標 8小時前
They』re absolutely the favorites come playoff time.
I』d put $50 they beat any and every team in the east.
People don』t fucking realize Playoff LeBron James + Moderately good Kevin Love beats any team in the east.
I love how just a few months ago the narrative was Bron is a monster and now he』s not even that good because he』s in the east hurt durd. You reactionary dopes.
熱火球迷：他們絕對還是季後賽頭號種子。我出50塊賭他們能贏東部所有球隊，因為你們沒意識到季後賽模式的詹姆斯和狀態還不錯的樂福能打敗東部任何球隊。就幾個月前，你們還說詹姆斯是個怪物，現在就成了詹姆斯沒那麼好，也太見風使舵了吧。
[–]HeatMiaCannons 3 指標 7小時前*
They never realize lol. I swear to you the exact same shit people are saying now was what they were saying before (Although not as many people). "This time it"s different", "LeBron doesn"t care", "Their defense isn"t good enough". Then that same team goes 12-1 en route to the Finals. I"m just hoping I can time the Cavs lowest point this season so I"ll be able to place a bet on the Eastern Conference winner and get the best possible odds.
熱火球迷：他們意識不到那一點啊，哈哈。他們往年也就那點陳腔濫調，一成不變，不過說得人是比以前少了。「這次不一樣了」，「詹姆斯完全啥也不在乎了」，「騎士防守不行」，然後其實12勝1負直通總決賽。我現在就想知道騎士什麼時候落到本賽季的最低谷，然後我就可以押注騎士拿到東部冠軍，那時候賠率肯定最好。
A few days ago, despite how everyone has panicking over the Cavs, the Cavs were still the favorite and would net you 2x your money if you bet them on bovada. Right now the odds are back down to 1.9x (Meaning for some reason either Vegas gained confidence in the Cavs or people are still betting on them) even with Kevin Love being injured. The next closest is Celtics at 3.75x which means they"re a decent sized underdog compared to the Cavs. Even Vegas knows better than to doubt playoff LeBron in the East.
幾天之前，雖然所有人都對騎士的情況慌神了，但騎士還是頭號種子，在在線博彩上押他們會讓你賺翻番。現在儘管樂福輸了，但騎士押注勝率卻回到1.9倍了（說明要麼是賭場對騎士信心更足了，要麼是大家還在押他們贏）。第二名就是凱爾特人的3.75倍了，意思是跟騎士比，凱爾特人才是那個挑戰者，而且差距還很可觀。連賭場都知道別質疑東部季後賽詹姆斯的實力。
[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownGMPunk75 126 指標 16小時前
There"s no "magical switch" that"s going to be flipped with this team like previous years past. LeBrons never been on a contending team remotely this bad
凱爾特人球迷：這支騎士可跟前幾年的騎士不一樣，前幾年的騎士可以隨時進入狀態，但現在的騎士不是說能上緊弦就能上緊弦的。詹姆斯呆過的爭冠球隊就沒這麼爛過，連接近的都沒有。
[–]CarlosMancigar 243 指標 16小時前
I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.
...祝你凱好運。
[–][MIA] Hassan WhitesideBigShotBosh 95 指標 15小時前
I』ve heard this every year since 2011
熱火球迷：2011年以來每年我都能聽到這種論調。
[–]KyKid98 97 指標 14小時前
I absolutely guarantee no one said it in 2013.
Also this literally is the worst his team as done since 2008. He did not make the finals in 2008
我保證2013年絕對沒人這麼說。這個絕對是2008年以來詹姆斯待過的最爛球隊，2008年他們也確實沒進總決賽。
[–]RocketsIskandermissile 23 指標 12小時前
Kobe and Shaq were supposed to sweep the Pistons in the Finals too. Things change. LeBron is getting older. Other teams have gotten better. This year I guarantee the Cavs don"t go to the Finals.
火箭球迷：2004年科比和奧尼爾還本應該橫掃活塞贏得總冠軍呢。時代總會變得，詹姆斯也老了，其他球隊變強了。今年我保證騎士不會進總決賽。
[–]WarriorsnewBreed 76 指標 14小時前
Yeah, this sucks for the Cavs, but look at it this way:
How spoiled are by Lebron"s greatness? Seriously, it"s a headline that his team is 9 games over .500? When was the last time a team like the Lakers were even over 9 games over .500?
His sustained greatness is iconic. No one has done it this long.
勇士球迷：這對騎士來說確實很糟糕，但你要這麼看這個問題：
人們是不是被詹姆斯的偉大寵壞了呢？如果騎士比50%勝率還多贏了9場是頭條，但誰還記得上次湖人打出這樣的勝率是什麼時候呢？
詹姆斯這種持久的偉大表現太詹姆斯了，過去沒人能這麼久地表現出色。
[–]HeatPropRandy 66 指標 13小時前
Tom Brady maybe. Roger Federer possibly.
熱火球迷：可能是NFL的湯姆-布雷迪？還有羅傑-費德勒。
[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonardjimalloneword 56 指標 13小時前
Tim Duncan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Karl Malone? Not trying to discount his greatness, but if we are going based off high performance and team success, a lot of people have done that in the NBA. Kaj is probably the closest in matching Brons individual performance level
蒂姆-鄧肯，賈巴爾，卡爾-馬龍？也不是想讓詹姆斯失色，但如果這個偉大的標準就是好的表現和高勝率，那很多球員都達到過啊。說到個人表現，賈巴爾可能是最跟詹姆斯相似的了。
[–]Maverickstd4999 7 指標 10小時前
Kareem was finals MVP at 38, and still a crucial piece of champions at 40 and 41. Lebron still has a ways to go to catch him, in terms of longevity
賈巴爾38歲的時候拿了總決賽MVP，40歲和41歲的時候還是冠軍隊的關鍵成員呢。說到常青，詹姆斯還有一段路要走哇。
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