讚譽雖多，但保羅仍被低估？美JRs：控衛只有庫里比他強

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讚譽雖多，但保羅依然被低估？美JRs：控衛里只有庫里比他強

This is said pretty much every year, but Chris Paul is being criminally underrated.

儘管每年都有人提起，但我還是要說：克里斯-保羅被嚴重低估了。

Looking past the all star "snub", which I totally agree with due to the amount of games he"s missed so far, Chris Paul is having his best season since 2008 and isn"t getting nearly enough recognition. He"s consistently been left off of top 10 lists, and to some, comparing him to the likes of Westbrook and Kawhi Leonard is laughable.

先不提他今年不受全明星「待見」，當然我表示完全理解，畢竟他因傷錯過了很多比賽。本賽季克里斯-保羅打出了2008年以來最強一季，然而沒有得到足夠的認可。他總是被排到前十之外，而且，對於有些人來說，把保羅和倫納德與威少比是可笑的想法。

As per usual his stats don"t look that amazing at face value, 19/8/5 on 61% TS is certainly amazing but I can think of at least 7-8 players with better looking stats. His real value is very apparent once you delve deeper into his stats.

就紙面上來看，他的統計數據看起來並沒有什麼耀眼的地方，19+5+8的同時有著61%的真實命中率卻是不可多得的，當然我知道至少7-8個數據更牛逼的球員。但一旦對他的數據進行深度分析，他的價值就顯而易見了。

His per 36 numbers might be the best of his career, even better than his 2008 season which he almost won MVP in. He"s also doing typical Chris Paul things like averaging only 2.2 turnovers (2.5 per 36), and his ast/to ratio is stellar but that should come as no surprise, he"s been doing this shit for a while now.

本賽季每36分鐘的數據是他的職業生涯的最好一季，甚至比他在2008年幾乎獲得MVP的時候還要好。跟以往一樣的典型保羅式表現：場均只有2.2次失誤(每36分鐘2.5次)，他的助攻失誤比也是不錯的，但這並不令人驚訝，他一貫如此。

Now I know how everybody hates advanced stats, but when they match the eye test (which they definitely do) then you got to respect them, and Chris Paul is the absolute god of advanced stats. 2nd in the league in ws/48 behind his teammate James Harden, he"s posting his second best ws/48 at .285. His RPM is the best in the league, he"s 6th in PER, 7th in BPM.

我知道大傢伙不待見高階數據，但是如果高階數據跟看球的印象流也對的上的話（確實能對得上），那你必須要尊重高階數據，因為克里斯·保羅絕對是高階數據中的統治者：每48分鐘勝利貢獻值達到職業生涯第二高的0.285，位列聯盟第二，排在隊友詹姆斯-哈登身後。正負值聯盟第一，效率值聯盟第六，真實效率值聯盟第七。

imo He should, at the very least, be right up there with Anthony Davis, Giannis, Kawhi and Westbrook in the tier 1.5 superstars list. In terms of impact he might still be a top 5 player in the league.

至少他應該和濃眉、字母哥、倫納德和威少一起位列1.5線超巨名單中。而在球隊影響方面，他依舊是聯盟中排名前五的球員。

[–]fooboojoo 255 指標 8小時前

I"ve got to be honest , I always loved Chris Paul and truly thought of him as the best PG in the league to start a team with. With that being said , i also thought he had to have the ball in his hands to work , and that a ball dominant guard like harden would hurt his ability to be a success in Houston. Holy shit was i wrong, CP3 has gone to three teams and made them significantly better right away... no adjustment period. Dude is a GOD.

老實說，我一直都是保羅的鐵粉，我一直認為保羅是最適合建隊的控衛。但是，我從前一直覺得他必須掌握大量球權才能發揮出個人價值，但像哈登這樣的粘球後衛自然會對他在休斯頓取得成功的職業生涯道路帶來不利影響。而如今我臉都被打腫了，保羅效力過的三支球隊都被他打理得井井有條，還不帶磨合的那種。小弟給跪了，這爺們就是個神。

[–]Heatusgojoox 45 指標 6小時前

Chris Paul"s biggest problem his entire career is the same as LeBron"s. They don"t need the ball in their hands to have the team succeed and they"re amazing passers, so they elevate the team instead of carrying them night in and night out like they could if they wanted to.

保羅最大的問題是他和勒布朗的職業生涯極為相似。他們都不需要通過持續持球來領導球隊獲得成功，兩人都是出色的傳球手，所以他們給球隊帶來的是整個團隊的提升，而不是像你們所想的一樣孤立無援地全場獨自扛推。

Now I say problem in the tiniest of ways, because this type of attitude will do 2 things to a player, one that is used as a stupid criticism for a guy"s all time rankings, and one not so stupid. One: people will criticize them for not having the "killer instinct" (stupid) and that will cause them to be seen as less of a basketball player. Two: They tend to err on the side of getting their teammates involved rather than realizing when it"s not working and just taking over outright.

現在我用最簡潔明了的方式說明一點，外界通常會對這種打法的球員給予兩種評價，一種是歷史排名張嘴就來的傻X噴子，另一種沒那麼蠢：一、人們會批評他們沒有「殺手本能」（這麼想的人真是蠢死了），從而被視為作為籃球運動員的一種缺失；二、他們傾向於讓自己的隊友都參與到比賽中，而不是覺得隊友帶不動的時候自己必須單打獨鬥。

This could be difficult to do because Paul/Bron may be out of rhythm as it"s tough to switch from a facilitator first to score-first mentality. It could also be difficult because if you"re great at elevating other"s play (As Paul and Bron are) you could fall prey to thinking that they"ll get it together if you just feed them a little bit more.....But that takes time. So when you make the switch to score first there may not be enough left to win the game.

這就比較難辦了，無論保羅也好勒布朗也好，在一個領導球隊的心態和一個純粹的得分手心態之間的變換會讓他們感到為難的同時也會失去打球的節奏。如果你擅長的是讓隊友變得更好（保羅和勒布朗就是例子），你可能會過度相信隊友，覺得多喂喂球他們就能找到手感了，但這從來都不是一蹴而就的。所以當你轉換成得分模式的時候也許已經晚了，沒剩下多少時間給你贏下比賽了。

All in all, probably among the best problems to have as a basketball player if you"re going to have one (everyone does). Obviously LeBron is much better at dealing with this problem than Paul is, but he"s the best comparison out there and it"s something that Paul has fallen victim to his whole career.

總之吧，保羅和詹姆斯這種球員上述的「問題」可能算是最幸福的問題了，畢竟人無完人啊。顯然勒布朗處理起來比保羅得心應手，但勒布朗是最好的參照物了，而保羅整個職業生涯都因為這個問題而屢次翻船。

[–]fooboojoo 24 指標 6小時前

totally agree with this. it"s very hard to find that fine line in between the so called "killer instinct" and being too passive. In all honesty , i think it really just comes down to whether or not the play was a success . Jordan passing to Kerr..(he makes it) response:greatest play ever! Lebron passing to Korver in the corner.. (he misses) response: Lebron needs to take that shot!

樓上所言極是。球員在所謂的「殺手本能」和過於不主動之間很難找到個平衡點。不過講道理，單幹也好傳球也好，這取決於你做的那個決定是否帶來了比賽的勝利。像喬丹最後把球傳給科爾（他命中了絕殺）大家的反應是：偉大的傳球！而勒布朗最後把球傳給底角的科沃爾（他投失了）大家的反應是：勒布朗就應該自己來！

[–]suphater 97 指標 7小時前

He"s not like Wall and Westbrook who have to dominate the ball because they have poor shooting and wouldn"t cause any gravity if they"re off ball.

I know I"ll get downvoted for pointing out two obviously overrated players, but it"s 2018, people should understand threes, spacing, team assists over individual assists, Team Offensive Rating, making defense go over on PnR, the by-far most used play type, etc.

保羅不是沃爾和威少這樣的必須掌握球權的球員，因為他們投籃太差了，打無球根本沒卵用。

我已經做好了被點滅的準備，畢竟我指出了兩個明顯被高估的球員。但現在是2018年了，小球風暴肆虐，你要知道的無非就是這些：投三分、拉開空擋、團隊導球勝過個人助攻、球隊進攻排行、怎麼防擋拆、最常用的打法戰術等等。

[–]fooboojoo 25 指標 6小時前

i upvote you! fuck the hate , great argument and actually adding value to the discussion. CP3 may be the best mid range shooter in the league.

樓上我點亮你！噴子一邊玩兒去。很有見解的觀點，還增加了這個話題的討論價值。保羅也許是全聯盟最好的中距離投手了。

[–][TOR] Pops Mensah-BonsuSaprano44 54 指標 8小時前

Top 5 in the league is a bit too much. Harden, Lebron, Steph, KD, and Giannis. However to say he has been more valuable/effective then Anthony Davis is a fair statement.

Hopefully the Rockets can be full strength for the playoffs because I think they have a shot at knocking the Warriors out

說聯盟前5有點過了。哈登、勒布朗、庫里、杜蘭特、字母哥前5吧，不過說他比戴維斯更有價值更高效這點還是蠻客觀的。希望火箭能在季後賽全力以赴，我認為他們有機會擊敗勇士。

[–]Cp3thegod 27 指標 6小時前

It"s not at all crazy to say he"s better than Giannis

說保羅比字母哥厲害一點都不過分。

[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 83 指標 8小時前

I hope he makes WCF, just for the fact that bitches out there discredit all of his accomplishments because he didnt make a conference final

I get it it"s great to make it but for a decade or more he has been the best all around point guard, and if he choked in the playoffs i would shit on him too but he plays better in the playoffs and has proven to be clutch

我希望他今年能摸到西決地板，就因為他沒進過西決，碧池們一天天地在抹黑他的成就。我明白，能打進西決固然很棒，但這十幾年來他一直是全聯盟最全能的控衛。如果他季後賽萎靡了我也會噴他，可是事實是他在季後賽更出色，而且關鍵時刻穩的狠。

[–][OKC] Russell WestbrookAnti_Thon 15 指標 7小時前

He』s gotten some real bad luck these last couple of years. Blake injured, he』s injured, he did choke that 3-1 lead but that』s about it and the refs choked their whistles in the OKC vs LAC series. He』s just had bad luck.

最近這幾年他真是倒大霉。格里芬傷了，他自己也傷了，被火箭一比三翻盤確實是他的鍋，但也就僅限於此了。快船對雷霆的系列賽也硬生生被裁判的黑哨給吹輸了。他就是不走運。

[–]TheBurner4567 9 指標 7小時前

4 points in the final 3 quarters of a pivotal game 7 at home against the jazz.

He can keep his fancy PER, VORP, WS/48 and NOC

上賽季主場打爵士的關鍵搶7戰，最後三節才得4分，呵呵。

繼續用他的各種華麗的高階數據來粉飾吧。

[–][HOU] Tracy McGradyvy2005 7 指標 7小時前

What about the playoff series that he』s played extremely well in?

那他打得很好的那幾個系列賽呢？被你吃了？

[–]Netscobrotherhood 24 指標 7小時前

Such as the other 6 games of that very series?

比如像前6場一樣？

[–]Nbm17 17 指標 7小時前

Chris Paul has the IQ and talent of LBJ but in a 6 foot body

保羅有勒布朗一般的球商和天賦，只可惜他只有1.83米。

[–]WizardsVswerve27 11 指標 5小時前

Cp3 is a much better shooter

但保羅投籃更棒。

[–]Cp3thegod 27 指標 6小時前

He has better IQ and talent

保羅球迷：相比詹姆斯，保羅有更高的球商和天賦。

[–]MibuWolve 8 指標 7小時前

Not really. They have different skills and talents. CP3 is a better ball handler and more consistent passer due to not having the scoring ability of LeBron. He also plays with more fire due to his Napoleon complex and goes hard. LeBron chills a lot due to how much better he is that he can coast. Passing wise, LeBron can do every pass CP3 can, while the same isn』t true for CP3.

並不是這樣的。他們技術和才華都不一樣。即便沒有勒布朗的得分能力，保羅卻是更好的控球手和穩定的傳球手。由於他的拿破崙情結[譯註1]，他的打法更加激進。而勒布朗則冷靜得多了，他本來就很優秀，他能輕鬆打好比賽。他傳球非常明智，保羅能傳的球詹姆斯都可以，但反過來就不一定了。

LeBron has a winning formula. He knows what it takes to win a championship because he』s won 3 and been to the finals 8 times now.

勒布朗有一套贏球的公式，他知道怎麼去贏得總冠軍，他已經贏了三次了，還打進了總決賽八次。

[譯註1]心理學上的一個概念，因身高5英尺2英寸（1.57米）的拿破崙而得名。也被稱為「矮個子症候群」。簡單來說，就是矮個子更暴力。支持這種情結存在的人們認為，矮個子比高個子更有暴力傾向，身材矮小的人會由於自卑感作祟，存有在其他方面要強過別人的補償心理。

[–]Nbm17 2 指標 7小時前

That』s true. CP3 has adapted his game to play the best he can at his size and always gives 110%. IF he was lebrons size tho he would be something special.

沒錯。保羅已經適應了他的身高的打法來打出最好的表現，每次都付出110%的努力。如果他有勒布朗的身材，他一定會讓人耳目一新。

[–]NBAbayesian_acolyte 14 指標 5小時前

He"s already something special. If CP3 was Lebron"s size he would be the undisputed GOAT. There"s a reason being 6"8" vs 6" makes it roughly 30,000 times more likely someone will make the NBA (I actually did the math on this if anyone wants me to show my work).

他已經讓我們刮目相看了。如果他有勒布朗的身材，那絕對是無可爭議的史上最佳。研究表明從1.83米漲到2.03米會使一個普通人進入NBA的可能性增加30000倍（有人想看我的演算過程的話密我）。

[–]Grilldaddy2 28 指標 7小時前

Chris Paul averages 19 points on (14 shots a game) 9 5 on 57% Effective Field Goal % with 2.5 TO a game(He is also an All NBA 1st team level defender)

保羅場均19分（場均出手14次），57%有效命中率，場均2.5次失誤（聯盟防守一陣球員）。

Russel Westbrook averages 26 points(22 shots a game) 10 and 9 47% effective field goal percentage 4.5 TO a game(He is also an average defender in the league)

Chris Paul right now is a better player than Russel Westbrook.

威少場均26分（場均出手22次），47%有效命中率，場均4.5次失誤（聯盟中流防守球員）

作為球員，保羅現在確實比威少優秀。

[–]HeatHailYeezus 15 指標 5小時前

Chris Paul is our generations greatest point guard, even today i"d have him second only to Curry

保羅是我們這一代中最優秀的控衛，即便是現在，我也只把庫里排在保羅前面。

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