騎士下季開銷可能達到3億，不會續約LBJ再賣球隊吧
騎士下賽季開銷可能達到3億美元，美JRs：老闆不會續約LBJ再賣球隊吧
ESPN：After their trades last week, the Cavs could face a $300 million payroll next season if LeBron James stays. Including a record-smashing $150 million in luxury tax
ESPN：在上周的交易之後，騎士下賽季在球員工資單上的開銷將會達到3億美金（如果詹姆斯留守騎士的話），其中包括了破天荒的1.5億奢侈稅。
[–]76ersgustriandos 1006 指標 10小時前
Lebron is gonna stay just to make gilbert write that fat ass check
為了讓吉爾伯特（騎士老闆）在那張肥的流油的支票上簽字，詹姆斯休賽季哪兒都不去哈哈哈。
[–]CavaliersNokia_Bricks 390 指標 8小時前*
Gilbert will be typing that check up in comic sans any minute now.
吉爾伯特很可能現在就在用漫畫字體 [譯註1] 列印這張支票哈哈哈。
[譯註1] 詹姆斯第一次離開騎士時，騎士老闆吉爾伯特曾在網上發表使用漫畫字體的公開信指責詹姆斯。
[–]LakersCrazyAsian 184 指標 7小時前
According to a friend who interned for the Cavs, Dan Gilbert does indeed send all his emails in comic sans, and in red font. It wasn"t just that online letter.
據我一個在騎士內部實習的哥們透露，丹-吉爾伯特給誰發郵件都是漫畫字體，外加紅色，不僅僅是那封公開信。
[–]NuggetsPancakeTaughtMe 63 指標 6小時前
Someone should change the Cleveland Cavaliers word logo to some kind of stylized comic sans if they lose a big game or something bad like that happens to them
二院畫師呢？趕緊p一張漫畫字體的克利夫蘭騎士隊logo，等哪天如果他們輸了一場很重要的比賽或者有什麼壞事發生就派的上用場啦。
[–]SpursPorcupineDream 234 指標 6小時前
Something like this?
圖來了圖來了。
[–]BullsBarajas0910 32 指標 8小時前
Isn』t Gilbert selling the team..? Or am I just talking out of my ass here?
吉爾伯特不是準備賣球隊么？？還是就我一個人在這胡說八道？？
[–]76ersgustriandos 45 指標 8小時前
That was just a rumor I think. Definitely nothing official
我覺得只是流言罷了，肯定不是正式公布的。
[–]CavaliersAFlaccidNarwhal 1196 指標 10小時前
Gilbert don』t give a shit
吉爾伯特他娘的才不在乎這點小錢。
[–]mendeleyev 667 指標 10小時前
His net worth according to Forbes is $6.3B.
據福布斯榜，他的凈身價為63億美元。
[–][CLE] J.R. Smithproblynotkevinbacon 314 指標 10小時前
Damn, I thought it was only $4b 2-4 years ago. (Yes, I know I said only, but that"s over a $2b difference lol)
卧槽，前幾年我以為他只有40億美元的身價啊。（哈哈我知道我用的是「只有」，但是這差了快20億啊哈哈）
[–]CavaliersTheBigEgg23 281 指標 10小時前
That"s about 5 seasons of the Cavs payroll, apparently. But clearly he"s profiting from this so I don"t think he cares too much.
（這差價）差不多是騎士5年的工資。但是很明顯吉爾伯特在騎士身上能賺大錢，所以我覺得他不會太在乎（奢侈稅）。
[–]falcons85326 174 指標 9小時前
Actually no profit last year, i think like 100 million loss
實際上騎士去年並沒有盈利，虧損了1個億貌似。
[–]RocketsAyyyyyyyLemao 397 指標 9小時前
I think he meant profiting elsewhere due to Cavs doing well. I believe he owns bars or something in downtown Cleveland and he"s making a killing due to all the traffic Lebron brings. But yes the team itself is costing him money
我覺得藉著騎士的出色表現他會在其他領域賺錢啊。我相信他在市中心擁有的酒吧或是啥的店這幾年肯定是暴利啊，詹姆斯效應可不是說著玩的。但是你說的對，球隊本身是挺花錢的。
[–]TimberwolvesRimmmer93 305 指標 9小時前
Owns a downtown casino in Cleveland, plus google shows him buying up different properties. Plus if the rumors of him selling are true, the unrealized gains in value of the team are unreal
他擁有市中心的賭場，還有谷歌說他在購買各種不同的資產。還有如果他要賣球隊的流言是真的話，那根據球隊最新的估值來看，吉爾伯特賣了騎士後獲得的投資回報簡直是無法想像的高啊。
[–]CavaliersNokia_Bricks 120 指標 8小時前
That casino is literally right across the street from the Q too.
還有那個賭場就在速貸中心的正對面喔。
[–]Raptorsdfsaqwe 165 指標 10小時前
tax money gets redistributed to the rest of the teams?
奢侈稅罰的錢會重新分布然後發放到剩下的球隊里么？
[–]Wizardslivefreeordont 211 指標 10小時前
Rest of the non-luxury tax paying teams
是剩下的不付奢侈稅的球隊里。
[–]SupersonicsFinestMilkSteak 210 指標 8小時前
It"s a great time to be tanking with a cheap roster.
擁有一堆廉價合同+擺爛，聽起來從未如此美妙。
[–]NBAtuberippin 70 指標 7小時前
About 6-8 teams are loving it. Hell, I"m pretty sure that this is the whole reason Ranadive owns the Kings
大概會有6-8支球隊會愛死這個規定了。卧槽，我好像發現了為什麼維維克-拉納戴夫是薩克拉門托國王隊老闆了。
[–]LakersClutchxedo 36 指標 7小時前
Honestly the luxury tax is bullshit. The current version of the tax was implemented by the owners to stop the Heat-dynasty.
Now it』s biting most owners in the ass which is hilarious in it』s own way, but I don』t think it』s good for the league since smaller market teams don』t have the incentive to stay competitive.
湖人球迷：港真奢侈稅太操蛋了。現在這個版本的奢侈稅規定是各個老闆們想辦法阻止熱火王朝創出來的，然後最逗的是，現在大部分老闆都砸到自己腳了哈哈哈。在我看來這對聯盟來講不是一個好主意，因為這樣小球市就沒有保持競爭力的動力了。
[–][GSW] Jason RichardsonDanerysFlacco 11 指標 6小時前
For real owners could make bank by just having the least player salary possible then taking in these huge luxury tax bills
說真的球隊老闆們只要儘可能給球員最低的工資，就可以從其他隊的巨額奢侈稅里坐著收錢了。
[–]BullsZezengorri 10 指標 6小時前
Did you mean "Having the least player salary possible then paying these huge bills?"
"The team salary must be at or above 90% of the salary cap... Teams with a team salary below the minimum are surcharged for their shortfall."
鏈接戳我
你的意思是先給他們最低的工資，然後再補給他們巨額補償？勞資協議規定：「球隊總薪水必須達到或者不少於90%的工資帽…總薪資沒有超過最低薪資的球隊需要補上差價」。
[–][GSW] Jason RichardsonDanerysFlacco 11 指標 5小時前
Yea so go right to 90% then spend no more
好吧那就正好90% 然後勒緊褲腰帶過日子唄。
[–]Verrit_Auth_Codes 155 指標 8小時前
The thing about the owners crying poor is that their teams are assets.
Not that Gilbert is crying or anything, but I just so happened to run the numbers last night:
Cuban bought the Mavs for $285M in 2000 (considered crazy). That"s $417M in today"s dollars. They"re worth 》$1.9B. That"s a 455% return in 18 years, without taking into account yearly profit/loss.
球隊老闆們哭窮是因為他們的球隊是資產。
不是說吉爾伯特在哭窮啥的，只是昨天晚上我湊巧在算數玩：
庫班2000年花了2.85億買下獨行俠（當時已經是很瘋狂了），通貨膨脹換算後相當於現在的4.17億美元。然而現在獨行俠價值超過19億。同志們，這是什麼，18年里455%的回報率，四捨五入就是1000% 啊（還不包括球隊每年的盈虧情況）！
[–]Raptorschimp1992 79 指標 8小時前
that"s actually a 9% IRR which is good but not anything amazing
這樣算起來其實是9%的內部收益率，也就步行街平均水平，沒啥好稀奇的。
[–]qchisq 92 指標 7小時前
Yeah, but that"s after inflation. Interest rates and returns, usually, are in nominal terms
你說得對，但是這計算的是通貨膨脹後的水平啊，利率和返還通常是只在名義上算的。
[–]Casper7to4 22 指標 8小時前
You don"t just acquire a 6 billion dollar net worth by frivolously spending 5% of it to increase your odds of winning a sports game though.
為了增加你球隊的比賽勝率而愚昧地花上5%的身價可不是什麼好主意哦。
[–]NBAtuberippin 28 指標 7小時前
Is it all that frivolous though? Considering Gilbert owns a big swath of downtown Cleveland, a competitive team yields a lot of money in areas outside of direct operation of the franchise.
真的愚昧么？？考慮到吉爾伯特擁有很大一部分克利夫蘭市中心的產業，一支充滿競爭力的球隊能從各個方面給他帶來許多利潤，而不僅僅是球隊運作本身。
[–][DAL] Michael FinleyLavenderGoomes 10 指標 9小時前
Very few sports teams actually profit. Owners don"t really buy sports teams for the money.
很少有球隊實際上是盈利的。貧窮限制了我們的想像力，很多老闆買球隊可不是為了賺錢的。
[–]RocketsAyyyyyyyLemao 42 指標 9小時前
A lot of the top teams actually profit. Just take a look at Forbes list.
在聯盟頂端的那些球隊是盈利的，看看福布斯排行榜吧。
[–][DAL] Michael FinleyLavenderGoomes 41 指標 9小時前
I work in tax with sports teams. Forbes estimates are trash
I"ll edit my comment to say youre not wrong, since you say a lot of the "top teams" you which doesn"t necessarily contradict my statement
我在稅務領域工作，我的客戶中就有球隊。福布斯榜的預測就是辣雞。
編輯一下，我不是說你說的不對，因為你說的是很多聯盟「頂尖」球隊，和我的說法不衝突。
[–]CelticsCrouchingPuma 9 指標 8小時前
Forbes lists teams by valuation (which is usually a bad estimate anyway), not profit. Look at all the crazy big European soccer clubs. Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc. are all hundreds of millions in debt, which is actually considered the smart thing to do for major clubs.
福布斯榜是通過評估球隊價值來排榜的（很糟糕的預計，話說回來），不是利潤。看看那些歐洲足球豪門俱樂部吧，曼城，皇馬，巴塞羅那等等，它們都是欠了一屁股債（上億元），但其實呢，這對大球會來說是個聰明的舉動。
[–]Cavaliersflashcats 9 指標 9小時前
Sports teams tend to run an operating loss, but for the major sports, owners overall profit upon sale.
球隊運作一般會虧損，但是總的來說，大型體育運動聯盟的老闆們在賣出球隊時是掙錢的。
[–][DAL] Michael FinleyLavenderGoomes 23 指標 9小時前
Yes and no. Once you factor all of the costs, the profit still isn"t as lucrative as other viable business ventures. Owning a sports teams is much like owning a huge mansion. You"re not buying it to make money. You"re buying it cause it"s freaking awesome.
樓上說的有對有錯。當你算上所有的潛在成本因素後，球隊產生的盈利依然不比其他企業賺錢多。擁有一支球隊跟擁有一所巨型官邸一樣，你買它不是為了賺錢的，你買它是因為它太他娘的帶勁兒了。
[–]Verrit_Auth_Codes 20 指標 8小時前
Don"t compare them to business ventures. Compare them to other viable investments.
The value of major sports franchises has drastically outperformed the market over the last 2 decades. Like - drastically.
不要拿球隊跟企業比，應該拿它和其他可行的投資相比。
過去20年里，大型運動聯盟球隊的價值在投資市場上打遍天下無敵手。
[–][WAS] Caron Butleraronblue 500 指標 9小時前
People in this thread are praising Gilbert for his shelling out of the big money, but I think he wants Lebron to sign an extension so he can sell the team.
這個帖子里的JRs都在吹吉爾伯特願意付巨額奢侈稅，但是我覺得他是想讓詹姆斯簽下續約合同以便於出手球隊。
[–][CLE] Kevin Lovejwdwolfe 259 指標 8小時前
lebron should commit only to ten day contracts just to spite gilbert
詹姆斯應該只願意簽10天短合同來噁心吉爾伯特哈哈哈。
[–]SpursMattsasse 48 指標 7小時前
What is the most you can pay a guy on a 10 day?
不懂就問，10天合同的金額上限是多少？
[–]76ersLoadedPotatoSkins_ 97 指標 7小時前
well you can only give the same player 2 10-day contracts, so he cant just keep going on them all season unfortunately.
然而不幸的是你最多只能給同一個球員2份10天短合同，不允許一直給10天短合同給到賽季結束的。
[–]Bullsboxmakingmachines 47 指標 8小時前
I could see it.
Resign LeBron and the teams valuation continues to be one of the best in the league. Then sell off the team (and the teams MASSIVE luxury tax bill) to someone else for a nice profit, all while still maintaining a huge stake in the teams success because of Gilberts investments in the downtown Cleveland area. He then has none of the burden of the luxury and repeater tax payments, and still reaps the benefits of having LeBron in his city.
Sounds like a pretty fool-proof plan to me.
我覺得層主說的有道理。
續約詹姆斯以保持住球隊的價值，然後連同巨額奢侈稅一起甩賣給哪個冤大頭，狠賺一筆，因為詹姆斯在所以球隊戰績不會差，他又能從他在克利夫蘭市中心的投資里繼續撈錢。這樣掐指一算，吉爾伯特既沒有了奢侈稅的負擔，又可以從他的其他產業里繼續榨取詹姆斯的商業價值。聽起來不錯，老鐵沒毛病！
[–]AKA-Doom 36 指標 8小時前
It worked for Prokhorov in Brooklyn , for whom the KG trade and the wreckage he left the team with were simply a means to boost his Barclays Center and surrounding properties investment.
It really feels like we should stop believing these suit and tie motherfuckers telling us they are trying to help us - in sports or in politics for that matter - when their entire lives they screwed over as many people as possible to get to where they are at.
籃網的普羅霍羅夫就是這麼想的，交易來加內特然後扔下籃網這個爛攤子只是他用來增值巴克萊中心球館和附近的產業投資的一種手段罷了。
卧槽咱們真的再也不能相信這些衣冠禽獸了，他們嘴上說的很好聽，來幫助我們云云（不光是體育，鄭志也是同一個套路），其實呢！他們為了達到自己如今所處的位置不知道毀掉了多少人！
[–][CLE] LeBron Jameshiimred2 76 指標 9小時前
And even after he sells the team he still owns tons of downtown Cleveland property that thrives off the Cavs, so it"s in his best interest in every way for the team to be as valuable and entertaining as possible.
騎士球迷：就算他賣了球隊，為了他在市中心擁有的其他產業，讓騎士保持競爭力和觀賞性對他自己也是極好的。
[–]RaptorsKevinOBomber 39 指標 10小時前
Dosen"t OKC have a similar bill coming their way?
雷霆是不是也差不多快有相似的賬單要付了？？
[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesflashbunnny 46 指標 10小時前
If they keep George at the max and melo opts in.
如果他們頂薪簽下喬治，安東尼執行球員選項的話。
[–]Cavaliers BandwagonSlightlyHigh_ 91 指標 9小時前
Melo is definitely going to opt in.
安東尼肯定會執行球員選項啊。
[–]CavaliersDeiVias 33 指標 9小時前
This is absolute worst case luxury tax.
Though the tax bill will still be high and it"s why Gilbert is one of the best owners in the league, we may not like the person but you need an owner who will spend and he will happily do so.
There are owners out there that would not go into luxury tax, even with Lebron on their roster.
騎士球迷：這絕對會是最糟糕的奢侈稅案例（騎士）。
奢侈稅賬單依舊會很高，但這也是吉爾伯特是聯盟里最棒的老闆之一的理由，我們可以不喜歡他這個人，但是我們需要一個心甘情願支付奢侈稅的老闆。NBA里還真有打死也不願意付奢侈稅的老闆，即使詹姆斯在陣中也不願意的那種。
[–]Pistonsgwok187 49 指標 8小時前*
See: OKC owner
Literally had a dynasty built for him, amazing drafting over 3 years got him what is now considered 3 of the top 10-15 players in the league. Durant even offered to take discounts to keep the core together. Such a damn shame, that team getting broken up is one of the greatest tragedies in the modern NBA era
EDIT: Made the player rank range wide to avoid controversy - either way they are all superstars so moral of the story is OKC fucked up
詳情請見：雷霆老闆。
媽耶王朝球隊已為他建成，3年夢幻選秀聚集了現在3位聯盟前10（或15）位最好的球員，杜蘭特甚至願意為了留住三少而降薪，然並卵！這簡直是現代籃球最大的悲劇。
編輯：為了不挑口水我把聯盟前10位弄成前15位，不管怎麼說三少都是超級巨星，所以這故事告訴我們雷霆的目光短淺搞砸了一切。
[–]Professor_Doobie 333 指標 10小時前
Gilbert deserves a lot of props. He』s been shelling out for this team ever since Lebron came back.
吉爾伯特值得許多讚譽。自從詹姆斯回來後他為這支球隊付了不少錢。
[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeFlyLikeATachyon 230 指標 9小時前
He』s a pretty shitty human being and is petty af too so it makes it hard to compliment him on anything.
他為人辣雞又小B心眼到家，抱歉實在是沒法子誇他。
[–]mapletree23 150 指標 9小時前
People don』t seem to understand the situation
Gilbert might not make money from the team directly with such a big luxury bill but all the sold tickets and merchandise probably keeps it a little closer to a positive
JRs們看起來並不了解情況啊。因為巨額奢侈稅，球隊可能沒法直接給吉爾伯特帶來盈利，但賣門票和周邊商品可能可以稍微抹平這些虧損，讓球隊的運營情況接近盈利。
He still however does not lose money because of the Cavs, he owns property outside of the sport around the arena like casinos and hotels and probably bars and resteraunts and things like that and as long as the cavs are popular and doing well he no doubt still makes a nice chunk of change just from owning the cavs and then doing well even if the cavs franchise itself is a negative the bonuses around it and involving it are inevitably a gain for him
但是他總的算起來依然不會在騎士上虧錢，他擁有球館附近許多的資產，比如說賭場，酒店，還有酒吧啦餐館之類的。只要騎士依然打得不錯，毫無疑問他依然能從騎士身上賺錢，儘管單從運作上看騎士可能是虧損的。
Not to mention with the cavs value currently being as it is probably north of a billion to sell it only means his property around the arena is valuable as well
Gilbert definitely makes money from owning the cavs one way or another
更別提騎士球隊的本身價值了，現在騎士至少賣個十億美元，而且球館周邊的產業仍然是他的，即使他賣了球隊他也能繼續賺錢。毫無疑問擁有克利夫蘭騎士隊能給吉爾伯特帶來盈利，從各個角度來說都是如此。
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