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運動超人張伯倫,美JRs:奧胖字母哥老詹的混合體


運動超人張伯倫,各種運動都掌握,美JRs:奧尼爾、字母哥和LBJ 的混合體


Since Joel Embiid marveled at Wilt Chamberlain"s athleticism during the ASG, here"s a new video just to show everyone the kind of athleticism was talking about:


全明星賽期間,喬爾-恩比德在場下和隊友聊天時表達了對於威爾特-張伯倫出色運動能力的驚嘆。下面這個視頻就來向諸位看官展示籃球皇帝的過人之處:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCRIB6ZBSA4
Wilt may be one of the most athletic people that size that has ever existed, 300 plus pounds at times and over 7 feet tall and he was a world class athlete from his teenage years into his 50"s and considered competitive in a variety of sports outside of basketball. Decided to put this together to refresh our memories of some of the things that made Wilt such an all-around athlete


張伯倫的運動能力也許在和他身型相仿的人群里是冠古絕今了。最多時不止135公斤的體重加上超過210厘米的身高,讓張伯倫從青春年少到年逾半百都保持著世界一流運動員的水準,並被公認在籃球之外的其他許多體育運動領域都展現出了競爭力。我決定做這個視頻來大家共同回憶一下,是什麼讓張伯倫如此的無所不能。



UPDATE: Joel Embiid liked this video on twitter. The Process has been tuning in!


更新:大帝上線啦!他給發在推特上的這個視頻點了贊!


註:因版權問題,該視頻無法上傳,還請廣大JRs見諒。




[–]shanmustafa 1493 指標 21小時前


the clip of wilt running full court is terrifying, also very thankful for wilt chamberlain archives


張伯倫全場飛奔跑快攻那一段真是嚇到我了。向《威爾特-張伯倫檔案》頻道的各位老哥致敬啦,感謝你們帶來的精彩內容。


[–]NBAmx3552 409 指標 21小時前


The clip at 3:57... Running full sprint, behind the back pass full speed... While being that fucking huge


注意這個視頻3分57秒的地方...這麼大個的一名中鋒,開了極速一樣帶球衝刺,全速奔跑的時候還能玩一手背傳。


[–][GSW] Draymond GreenMacDerfus 103 指標 19小時前


This is why I refer to Wilt as a mythical creature.


勇士球迷:所以我不會說張大帥的身體素質太禽獸了。因為他老人家是奇禽異獸。


[–]Bullsxconzo 55 指標 11小時前


That clip seriously looked like some sort of tape that people are trying to figure out if it"s proof he exists.


公牛球迷:這段視頻里的內容太匪夷所思了,我彷彿在看一期《走近科學》:威爾特-張伯倫,神話傳說還是確有其人?


[–]Lakers1996 231 指標 21小時前


my thoughts from watching this as well, never seen someone that size run like that


湖人球迷:我和層主的想法一樣,人高馬大還能這般健步如飛,開了眼了。


[–][TOR] Amir JohnsonModernPoultry 310 指標 19小時前


Keep in mind, all these clips of Wilt doing insane athletic things are also with him wearing old school Converse. None of the modern day basketball shoe technology


猛龍球迷:大家別忘了,所有這些視頻里飛天遁地的張伯倫都是穿著老款的匡威球鞋。現如今各種高端的球鞋科技他可是都沒享受到。


[–]BladeofSouls 75 指標 13小時前


Imagine him wearing BoostFoam tech shoes, long shorts, comfy jerseys, and compression sleeves NBA players wear nowadays. Won"t do too much but boost his performance a bit.


想像一下,如果讓張伯倫穿著如今NBA球員會穿的BoostFoam 材質的球鞋,舒適的球衣和長款球褲,再配上加壓護臂。不是說這樣他就變身超人了,但是多少還會提升他的運動表現。


It"s insane guys back in the 50"s played around 48 minutes a game with back in the past tech, with guys now with comfy shoes and compression fitted tech, yet we hear more injuries now than then.


追憶往昔,曾經在五十年代打球的那批老大爺們真是不可思議。就靠著科技含量低得可憐的裝備,每場比賽都幾乎打滿全場。現在的球員們有著更舒適的球鞋和壓力貼合技術,可是反而更多地遭受了傷病侵襲。


However, a reason as to that could be the rise of social media and the NBA being more open than it was in the 50s. Another thing could be how the speed, pace, and demands of the game have increased, with the game of basketball changed into a faster, more run and gun style. The athletic demands for players have increased compared to those players back then, with our guys being taller, stronger, quicker, and more athletic.


話雖如此,也許是因為社交媒體的興旺和NBA遠超以往的開放程度,才讓我們現在更容易了解球員的傷病消息。另一個可能的原因是籃球比賽現在進化到了一個更快速,更接近於跑轟的打法潮流。隨之比賽中的球員運轉速度,比賽節奏和進行比賽的複雜性都有了提升。現在的球員普遍更快更高更強,運動能力更加,因此在當下打球對於球員運動能力的要求也是以前的球員們沒法比的。


[–]CelticsODomincanB 66 指標 11小時前


Also pro athletes played thru injuries more back then because it wasn』t a millions of dollars job and not playing meant losing their main source of income. They made more than the average worker, but it wasn』t uncommon to have a job during the off-season back then.


綠軍球迷:我再補充一點,過去的職業運動員可沒辦法和現在一樣,簽一紙合同就能掙個幾百萬刀。不上場就等於說失去了主要的經濟來源,所以他們更傾向於帶傷上陣。他們確實還不至於和工薪階層比工資單,但是那時候很多球員在休賽季都會另打一份工。


[–]76ersdavesays 83 指標 20小時前


Holy shit... that HAS to be sped up. No way can someone that big be that fast...


76人球迷:我了個去……這肯定是哪個時間領主把我的視頻快放了。這分明就是李逵的身,戴宗的腿...


[–]Trail BlazersElrond_Hubbard_ 107 指標 18小時前


They said he ran a 4.4 forty when he was drafted by Kansas City lol what the fuck.


The fastest ever Lineman was Terron Armstead who ran a 4.71, and was also 300 pounds. Even if they messed up the hand-timer, worst case he"d be around a 4.55? Vernon Davis ran a 4.38, but was 255 pounds. Bonkers[譯註1]


開拓者球迷:蒼了個天,據說張伯倫剛進入堪薩斯大學的時候他跑40碼(約合36.6米)只要4.4秒。橄欖球里最快完成40碼測試的線鋒是Terron Armstead,耗時4.71秒, 他的體重也有大約135公斤。


就算是那時候給張伯倫測速的人是手記(不是電記),測得不準,那張伯倫最次也有4.55秒的速度吧?Vernon Davis倒是跑出了4.38秒,但他只有115公斤啊!不可思議。


[譯註1]: Terron Armstead效力於NFL新奧爾良聖徒隊,司職進攻截鋒。Vernon Davis現效力於華盛頓紅皮隊,司職近端鋒。40碼衝刺跑是橄欖球中用來評估一名球員速度和提速能力的常用測試。


[–]Lakersxanot192 189 指標 20小時前


4.4 in the fourty jesus


湖人球迷:我只想打出一串6。


[–][SAS] Dominique Wilkinsbloomingzonda 81 指標 18小時前


That is the same time that Adrian Peterson put up in the combine


馬刺球迷:Adrian Peterson[譯註2]在聯合試訓里的四十碼成績和張伯倫一樣。


[譯註2]:Adrian Peterson現效力於NFL亞利桑那紅雀隊,司職跑衛。


[–]LakersChyloRen 160 指標 19小時前


Sub 50 on the 400m in high school too. Dude can do anything


湖人球迷:張伯倫高中的時候用了不到50秒跑完400米。這老哥無所不能。


[–][GSW] Draymond GreenMacDerfus 122 指標 19小時前


He"s like a stronger, bigger version of Bo Jackson.


勇士球迷:他就像高大強壯的升級版Bo Jackson[譯註3]。


[譯註3]:Bo Jackson是美國歷史上唯一一位在NFL和MLB兩大聯盟都獲得全明星球員稱號,並進入名人堂的運動員。


[–]Sunszarvinny 65 指標 17小時前


7ft Bo. Jesus


太陽球迷:張伯倫就是2.13米的Bo神。


[–]WarriorsSevenElevenHells 53 指標 16小時前


7』2」. he』s taller than shaq


勇士球迷:糾正一下,是2.18米。他比奧尼爾還高。




[–]CavaliersKayFeldersAlt 865 指標 21小時前 


Athleticism wise, it seems like he was a mix between Shaq and Giannis with Lebron durability.


騎士球迷:我覺得張伯倫的運動能力就像是奧尼爾和字母哥的合成物,還有老詹的耐操度。


[–][PHI] Markelle FultzJoelEmbeast 78 指標 21小時前


Except he was way stronger than Shaq.


太陽球迷:可是張大帥比鯊魚還要強壯得多。


[–]Sureynot86 223 指標 20小時前


Idk about that, if he was stronger he wasn』t 「way」 stronger. It』s like also believing he slept with 20,000 women.


這麼有把握嗎?就算張伯倫比奧尼爾還壯,我也不覺得兩人之間會有明顯的差距。就像你們天天「張兩萬」地叫,難道他就真的和2萬名女性發生過關係嗎?


[–]76ersmemeganoob 193 指標 19小時前


Agreed, he definitely slept with at least 50,000 women


76人球迷:說得太對了,怎麼能是2萬名啊?應該有5萬,TX。


[–]Warriorsbenpaco 91 指標 17小時前


I know how he "had no children" but I"d like to imagine he actually had thousands of children and a couple hundred years from now there"ll be a 1 in 10 chance you have Wilt blood the same way there"s a 1 in 10 chance someone in Asia is related to Genghis Khan


勇士球迷:我知道,官方的消息是張伯倫「沒有生育」,但我寧願相信他的子孫實際上成千上萬。一代天驕成吉思汗,亞洲每十人中就有一人是他的後代。看今朝風流人物張伯倫,未來不過數百年,就能在美利堅復刻這樣的神跡。


[–][LAL] Didier Ilunga-Mbengaberdengbituin 60 指標 16小時前 


His descendant is actually in the league today.


湖人球迷:誰人言我大帥無後!




[–]KnicksTofuTofu 97 指標 19小時前


I absolutely believe the 20,000 women thing.


Single his whole life, unabashedly sexual, in a pre-AIDS world of free love, as the biggest celebrity in Los Angeles for a good chunk of it... That guy was running trains every single night.


尼克斯球迷:我信張大帥和兩萬名女性進行過技術交流。


張伯倫這一生,在一個無人知「艾」的自由世界裡愛得過火,再加上有很長一段時間他都是洛杉磯最大牌的明星……老哥還不得夜夜開車夜夜笙歌啊。


[–]Claclink520 92 指標 18小時前


Come on. Do the math. If he had sex with a different woman every day for 50 years he would only be up to 18,250


得了得了,我來給你算筆賬。如果張伯倫在五十年里每天都和一位不同的女性巫山雲雨,總共下來也不過是18250個人。


[–]Grizzliesehopkey 132 指標 17小時前


But what if he had 3 every night


灰熊球迷:一夜三人,你重新算。




[–]NBAmx3552 199 指標 21小時前


A guy says he made 20 out of 25 free throws from half court, is that true?!


我聽到有個人說張伯倫以25中20的命中率從中場罰球,這也行?!


[–]Cavaliersdantheman9758[S] 275 指標 21小時前


Tom Heinsohn, Celtics current announcer and a HOF player from Wilt"s era who eventually became Celtics coach in the 70"s. I can"t say if it"s true or not, but that"s the man who"s claiming he saw it happen


騎士球迷:你說的那個人是湯姆-海因索恩,凱爾特人現任解說員。他是綠軍名宿和名人堂成員,並和張伯倫同場競技過。海因索恩在70年代還擔任了凱爾特人的主教練。我沒法斷言中場罰球是真是假,但說這話的人可是聲稱他親眼目睹過這些。


[–]NBAmx3552 122 指標 21小時前


He averaged 50-60 %FT so it would be surprising but with Wilt I guess it"s possible.


張伯倫生涯的平均罰球命中率也不過是50-60 %,所以這命中率是挺出乎意料的。不過只要是關於他老人家的事兒,我都覺得可以信。


[–]Cavaliersdantheman9758[S] 151 指標 21小時前


I"m sure some will contest this because it feels like an endless debate with many nuances, but I"m 99% sure from all testimony (coaches, Wilt himself, etc) Wilt"s problems at the free throw line were mental first (and became physical IE bad form, secondary to that). His shooting touch itself was not the problem. He was a good fall away jump shooter, and as the footage of his hook shots and the testimony of his half court shots indicate, he could even hit ranged shots (though he never did these during games). So, to me, it"s plausible he could sink the half court shots with frequency.


樓上的騎士球迷:我敢說有人要反對我接下來要所說的,因為大家對此都會各持己見而爭個不休。但是從現有的證據(來自於球隊教練們和張伯倫本人等等)來看,我確信張伯倫罰球不好首先是由心理問題引起的(其次才是投球手勢這些身體上的原因)。他稀爛的罰球不應歸罪於他的手感。張伯倫有著出色的後仰跳投。還有這段視頻里他的超遠勾手和其他人對他中場投籃的見證,都說明大帥甚至能遠程發炮(雖然在比賽中他從不遠投)。所以在我看來,張伯倫能在中場接連命中投籃是可信的。


[–]Cavaliersalibabaking 103 指標 20小時前


Kinda like lebron? The dude can make 26+ footers with ease but for some reason can"t drain both free throws.


騎士球迷:就像老詹的情況一樣?他能輕鬆地在三分線外一步命中跳投,也能莫名其妙兩罰全丟。




[–]darhale 338 指標 20小時前


He played professional volleyball? That"s not even fair.


I always did think that if the NBA"s most athletic guys (like LeBron, Westbrook, etc) played volleyball, USA should be able to dominate in volleyball.


張伯倫還打了職業排球?那也太欺負人啦。


我一直都想,如果我們讓NBA里運動力爆表的球員(比如老詹,比如威少)去參加排球隊,美國隊就是排壇一霸。


[–]Celticschirpzz 122 指標 20小時前


To be fair he played in a league he founded. In America had he wanted to really compete at the sport he would have played overseas where the good leagues are. Just the videos show show you that his form was really not great. IDK if that was standard when he got into it, but if you look at the really great hitters in the game past and present they look nothing like Wilt when he"s hitting


Heres a video of great hits


綠軍球迷:說實話,張伯倫是在自己創立的排球聯賽里打球[譯註4]。如果他真的想要一展身手大殺四方,那他應該去海外的高水平聯賽。記錄下張伯倫打排球的這些視頻其實顯示出他的姿勢不太正確。我不確定他的動作是否在他參加比賽的時候可以算作標準,但如果你看看曾經和現在的優秀排球手,他們和張伯倫的擊球動作是大相徑庭。


視頻:排球中的精彩扣殺>>


http://t.cn/REhUVc3


[譯註4]:張伯倫是創立於1974年的International Volleyball Association的董事會成員,並在次年成為其總裁。由於張伯倫的存在,IVS的全明星賽才得到了電視轉播,他也當選為全明星賽MVP。張伯倫只偶爾代表聯賽中的Seattle Smashers隊出戰。而IVS在經歷不過短短5年時間後,於1979年就解散了。


[–]Wizardslivefreeordont 219 指標 20小時前


He was a hall of fame volleyball player


奇才球迷:他不是也進入了排球的名人堂?


[–]Pelicansblinkme123 129 指標 18小時前


he"s in the HoF in volleyball for his role as an ambassador for the sport, not because he was all that good at it.


鵜鶘球迷:大帥進入名人堂的原因是他在推廣這項運動時所扮演的重要角色,而非他在排球領域真的強無敵。


[–]Sunsapawst8 46 指標 19小時前


Chase Budinger was a pretty accomplished volleyball player (national HS player of the year) before choosing to emphasize basketball over volleyball.


Now that his basketball career is over, he"s a professional beach volleyball player. Both of his siblings are professional volleyball players also.


太陽球迷:在選擇更多地投入籃球之前,蔡斯-巴丁格是個小有成就的排球運動員(全美年度最佳高中球員)。


現在他的籃球生涯是結束了,但他成為了一名職業的沙灘排球運動員。他的兄弟姐妹們也都投身職業排球賽事。


[–]catkirkgleason 52 指標 20小時前


Won the volleyball MVP too. At like 50


張伯倫在差不多50歲的時候還拿到了排球聯賽的MVP。


[–]Pelicansblinkme123 70 指標 18小時前


the only "pro" volleyball he played was in basically a pro-am league he founded. He was MVP in an all-star game of that league, not of anything that matters in volleyball.


鵜鶘球迷:大帥唯一打過的「職業」排球就是在他自己創立的一個職業、業餘選手混合聯賽。他是在一場全明星賽上拿到的MVP,其實沒什麼含金量。




[–]DrunkenMasterII 19 指標 19小時前 


I always wonder if all the best athletes in the world went to compete in one specific discipline how they would do. Like if Lebron learned to play hockey as a kid, how good could he be?


我一直很好奇如果讓世界上最好的運動員們去參加另一項運動,他們的表現會怎樣。比如說如果詹姆斯從小就學著打冰球,他也會很成功嗎?


[–]Salami_On_Rye 45 指標 19小時前


I think a lot of basketball athletes would be at a disadvantage because of their size. Players like Westbrook or AI would excel at any sport, I imagine, but bigger guys like Wilt or LeBron or Shaq would be at a disadvantage in many sports given their size.


我想身材的原因會讓許多籃球運動員在從事另一項運動項目時多有不便。我估計像威少和艾佛森這樣的球員在任何體育項目里都會遊刃有餘,但大帥、老詹或者是奧尼爾這類魁梧高大的運動員,身型反而會限制他們的表現。


[–]Kraggon 55 指標 19小時前


There have been NFL scouts that said Lebron would have been the best tight end to ever play the game. Joe Rogan has said fighters are lucky there is so much money in basketball because he would beat everyones ass if he decided to fight instead and could have done anything he wanted athletically.


以前有過NFL 的球探稱詹姆斯會成為橄欖球運動有史以來最出色的近端鋒。Joe Rogan[譯註5]曾經說過格鬥運動員都應該慶幸籃球聯賽里的油水夠多,不然老詹如果選擇轉戰綜合格鬥,憑藉他的運動天賦他就能為所欲為,掌控全菊。


[譯註5]:Joe Rogan是美國脫口秀喜劇演員。曾在UFC任職現場採訪記者和解說嘉賓。


[–]PleaseBeQuietCunt 26 指標 19小時前


God super heavy weight division would be so fucked if a whole load of nba players decided to fight


亂了亂了,要是一大幫NBA球員轉行打格鬥那就全亂了。超重量級還不得打成一鍋粥。


[–]TimberwolvesBannaHamHock 27 指標 18小時前


They wouldn"t fight in super heavyweight division considering that doesn"t exist in the UFC or Bellator and wouldn"t need to since the Heavyweight cut off is 265 and any NBA player could easily cut to that save for like.. Shaq I guess? Some 7 footers maybe.


森林狼球迷:不會的,NBA的球員根本不會參加超重量級的格鬥賽,因為不管UFC還是Bellator都不包含這個級別。另外他們也不需要,因為參加重量級比賽選手的體重上限是120公斤,大多數球員應該都能比較輕鬆地減重在這以下吧...也許除了奧尼爾?或者是其他一些的七尺大漢。




[–]Cavalierswouldstillsmash 237 指標 20小時前


The annoying thing about Wilt is you get the sense that people/himself are purposely trying to exaggerate his stories, which puts everything else into question. Like I KNOW this dude was a crazy once-in-a-lifetime athlete, but 50 inch vertical at 7"1? Come on. I wish they"d just stick to the truth since the truth is already very impressive.


騎士球迷:對於吹大帥神跡,我比較煩的一點就是你能覺察到不管是旁人還是他自己,都在有意地給大帥的功勞簿上添磚加瓦。這就給事實的真相又蒙上一層神秘的面紗。我明白,我了解,張大帥就是一個不世出的運動奇才。可是2.16米的身高配上1.26米的垂直彈跳也是真的?寫神話的該歇歇了,畢竟單純擺事實就足夠吹大帥的了。


[–]Cavaliersdantheman9758[S] 152 指標 20小時前*


I try to dig to the bottom of every story, each has an origin. Usually it』s Wilt who exaggerates depending on the content and contex of the discussion. Usually his peers are aware many people won』t believe them. His peers don』t give me the impression that they exaggerate. Some fans do, but they aren』t the source they are often repeating 2nd and 3rd hand and I never include 2nd hand fan testimony in my videos only first hand accounts


樓主:每一個這樣的傳奇故事我都想刨根問底,溯其本源。通常來說,是張伯倫自己在特定環境和談話內容里做了誇大。他的籃球同僚們通常清楚很多人都不會相信這些故事的,他們應該沒有誇大其實。但是有些球迷會信以為真,甚至也添油加醋地補兩句。然而球迷的話就算一傳十十傳百也不能被用作消息源,我也不會把他們的話作為製作視頻的證據。我只相信第一手消息。


[–]Cavalierswouldstillsmash 67 指標 20小時前


Oh you"re the guy behind the Wilt Chamberlain Archives? Excellent work! Can"t believe how much you"ve uncovered about Wilt. Do you know anything about the accounts of his strength? I mean you have people like Arnold Schwarzenegger praising his strength, so there has to be truth to it. However, there"s also quotes like the one below floating around which make you want to doubt everything.


騎士球迷:嘿老哥你就是《威爾特-張伯倫檔案》的幕後製作人?活兒幹得漂亮!真不敢相信你們能發掘出這麼多關於張伯倫的趣事。你知道關於大帥神力過人的一些信息嗎?畢竟像阿諾-施瓦辛格這些人都對他的力量讚不絕口,那多少是有點實錘的吧。不過也有像層主這樣的說法,又讓我感覺一切都不是那麼可靠。


"On the trip to Russia with the Harlem Globetrotters, we were in Lenin Stadium, and they assigned a dressing room to the team. The players were getting dressed for one of their games. They were in rather close quarters. Remember, these were young kids-Wilt was 23. The others were his age. They were like kittens. You bump me, i"ll bump you back. And before you know it, two of the guys set on Wilt. They started playfully pushing and shoving him. And finally one of his teammates hit Wilt a little too hard. He took these two guys, twisted each of their shirts, and lifted both of them off the ground. Each of these guys weighed over 200 pounds. It looked like he had two little crackers in his hands. I thought he was going to hit their heads together. It was an amazing demonstration of strength"[譯註6]


「當時我們是在俄羅斯,哈林籃球隊巡迴賽的途中一站。比賽在列寧體育館進行,場館的工作人員給球隊分配了一間更衣室。有一場比賽前大家都在更衣室里為出場做著準備,彼此距離都挺近。別忘了這些球員都是年輕人,張伯倫也不過23歲。他們就像貓一樣彼此來回折騰。幾乎沒人注意,其中有兩個人打算去和張伯倫鬧一鬧。開始是開玩笑的推搡,到後面,其中一人沒控制好就重重地給了他一下。各位,那張伯倫輕舒猿臂,款扭狼腰,揪住二人衣領,只輕輕一提,就將兩人拿到半空。看官,這兩名大漢各重兩百斤,張伯倫提於手上如提幼童,竟不費力。張伯倫似要以這二人項上人頭互擊,然則作罷。眾人皆嘆,大帥真乃神人也。」


[譯註6]:以上內容引自Dr. Stan Lorber, 哈林籃球隊在俄羅斯巡迴比賽時的隨隊醫生。






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