隊友懇求倫納德復出還是純屬瞎扯？美JRs：千萬別走小托馬斯老路

運動 03-24

金屬質感分割線

[Wojnarowski] Spurs held players-only meeting, imploring Kawhi Leonard to return to lineup.

Woj：馬刺隊內召開球員會議，懇請倫納德復出。

根據NBA記者Adrian Wojnarowski報道，多位消息人士透露，馬刺球員進行了內部會議，請求前鋒科懷-倫納德復出並幫助球隊打進季後賽。

多位消息人士透露，托尼-帕克在球隊戰勝森林狼的比賽賽後組織了這次會議。消息人士透露，會議期間的對話有時很緊張和情緒激動。

消息人士透露，多名球員發表了自己的看法，表達了對於倫納德與球隊的關係逐漸陷入分歧的失落和困惑，而倫納德則堅定地表示，自己是出於傷病問題的正當理由而缺席的。

消息人士透露，倫納德在三對三和四對四的訓練中給教練組和隊友們留下了深刻印象，球隊也相信倫納德的恢復進展能使他在上周復出。消息人士透露，倫納德目標在本周近期復出，只是在決定他是否具備傷後復出的自信。

Jabari Young稱：「ESPN搞錯了，會議氣氛並不是緊張的。雖然讓倫納德有點兒措手不及，但隊友們只是希望看看科懷到底什麼情況，而不是從媒體那兒獲知消息。隊友們都很支持科懷。」

Jabari Young "ESPN has it wrong. The meeting wasn』t tense. It caught Kawhi off guard, and teammates just wanted to check on his status so they wouldn』t want to hear it from media. He had support from teammates"

Spurs beat的記者Mike Finger報道了昨天科懷參加的球員會議。按他的話來說，這次會議是「非對立性質的」，也不存在什麼壓力。

Mike Finger, Spurs beat reporter, reported on the players』 meeting with Kawhi yesterday. Described it as 「non-confrontational」 and without pressure.

馬刺球迷：格林上演精彩的「大帽拒絕」。

推特內容：笑死了，簡直不能更離譜。

另外：如果你們真的那麼關心這個事兒，我這有一篇聖安東尼奧當地媒體對會議的報道，按這家媒體說的，實際情況比沃神報道的要更正面，並且文章也對於未來的走勢給出了不一樣的看法。

原文鏈接：在球隊老兵們的牽頭下，馬刺舉行球員會議，旨在澄清關於倫納德復出的事宜。

Danny Green adds another highlight-reel block

Edit: If y』all really care about it, here』s SA』s local coverage on the team meeting. Obviously much more positive than Woj』s article, and offers a different perspective on what might』ve gone down

[–]BucksDrJeremiahOrange 261 指標 6小時前

Lol this sub sucks Woj"s dick so much.

笑死了，這論壇跪舔沃神有點兒用力過猛啊，也不怕舔折了。

[–]Spursjohnny__ 209 指標 7小時前

Danny Green just tweeted that Woj"s tweet and his article are not correct. Once again, ESPN is manipulating a story to make it more dramatic than it actually is.

馬刺球迷：格林轉發了Woj的推特，說他寫的東西都是錯的。ESPN「再一次」強行分享剛編的故事，就為了讓「劇情」更加一波三折嘛。

[–]Spurspullingthestringz 140 指標 7小時前

Woj got an agenda with this one

馬刺球迷：Woj搞這事絕對是打著自己的小算盤呢。

[–]NetsLanaRhoades- 432 指標 7小時前

Team: Kawhi come back, only if you are 100% though

Kawhi: okay

Woj: TEAM IMPLORE KAWHI TO RETURN TO THE LINEUP

球隊：倫納德，復出吧！不過你一定要等到傷勢百分百痊癒啊。

科懷：好的。

沃神：馬刺懇求科懷回歸！

[–]Cavaliersyortryzz 27 指標 5小時前

Fuck Woj if that"s true. Wouldn"t be surprised though, LeBrons camp doesn"t leak anything to him and his come out with hit pieces.

騎士球迷：要真是這樣的話Woj有點兒缺德啊。不過我倒是不意外，詹姆斯團隊從來不向Woj走漏風聲，然後Woj就強行往詹姆斯身上潑髒水，見怪不怪啦。

[–]SupersonicsSongOfBlueIceAndWire 176 指標 6小時前

I"m more likely to believe Woj honestly. Most everything we"re heard from Kawhi/the Spurs has been misleading. I think they"re trying to control the narrative that nothing"s wrong, but something"s definitely fishy over in San Antonio.

我還是願意相信Woj的。我之前聽到的幾乎所有有關馬刺或者科懷的消息都太有誤導性了，我感覺那些就是為了營造出一種「我們啥事兒都沒有」的輿論氛圍，但是馬刺肯定發生了什麼不對勁兒的事兒。

[–]dropdatdurkadurk 65 指標 6小時前

Yeah this reminds me of something zach Lowe said on his podcast a few months ago

啊哈，這又讓我想起來幾個月之前Zach Lowe在播客節目說的了：

"All last summer there were rumblings out of SAS that Aldridge wanted out yet the Spurs kept denying if and said its total nonsense. Then of course months later Pop comes out and says it was true. Ask the Spurs now about it behind the scenes and they"ll be like "yeah what did you expect us to do there?"

「過去的整個夏天裡，聖安東尼奧都被阿德希望離隊的流言所包圍，然而馬刺方面矢口否認，表示這些都是瞎掰。幾個月過去了，波波竟然自己站出來說那些流言都是真的。如果你現在私底下問馬刺相關人士到底咋回事，他們就會給你『當時我們只能這樣啊，要不然你還想讓我們咋說啊（難道說流言都是真的？）』之類的答覆。」

They basically lied to cover their own interests. Which isn"t the end of the world I totally get it definitely not worth any outrage. But it highlights their goal is doing what"s in their best interest not necessarily what happened in reality. Woj"s job is to find the later and he"s really good at it

馬刺團隊為了隱藏自己的真實目的，不惜扯謊。我能理解，這又不是世界末日，沒必要動氣。但是這也表示，馬刺最關心的還是球隊的利益，所以真相就只能給利益讓步了。而Woj的工作就是去查找真相，他也確實幹得不賴。

[–]oakled 171 指標 6小時前*

The only thing we know for certain is that a players only meeting took place.

This means that the only people who know the exact contents of the conversation are the Spurs players. Given that this leaked, we can surmise that the information is coming from a Spurs player, or somebody a Spurs player relayed the contents of the meeting to.

我們目前能夠確認的事情就是，確實召開了一次球員會議。

這說明唯一知道會議內容的人就是馬刺球員。考慮到開會這事被泄露了，我們能夠大膽推測這些是一個馬刺隊員曝光出來的，或者說是從馬刺球員得知本次會議信息的相關人士曝出來的。

If it"s coming from a Spurs player, you have to wonder what their motivations for leaking this are. If it"s coming from someone close to a Spurs player, you have to wonder whether they retold the story accurately (there"s a reason hearsay is not accepted in court) and what their motivations for leaking the story are.

如果說是某個馬刺球員泄露出來的，你就不禁會去想這麼做的動機是什麼。如果說是來自於某個馬刺球員的身邊人的話，你就不禁會去想他們的消息是否準確（這也就是為什麼道聽途說來的消息在法庭上不具備法律效力），他們曝光消息的動機又是什麼。

We are too quick to accept media reports are truth on this sub-reddit. Everything leaks for a reason, and reports are subject to the memories, biases and motivations of human beings.

各位JR都太急於下結論了，只要媒體曝個什麼東西出來，大家就馬上相信這消息是事實。消息走漏都是有原因的啊，人的記憶、主觀情緒和動機全都會對這些報道產生直接影響。

[–]RocketsTokubetsuHabu 105 指標 6小時前

You know what would really help with this whole situation? If Kawhi would just speak the fuck up and say something.

解鈴還需系鈴人啊！科懷得麻溜地發聲啊，說點啥成不成啊！

[–]Spursbinary_spaniard 42 指標 5小時前

I am 90% sure that at least one player told him that.

So I am wondering why he doesn"t do so.

馬刺球迷：我幾乎可以肯定至少有一個球員跟小卡提過這個建議。

所以我好奇的就是為什麼小卡還沒站出來說話。

[–]Spurstuituituituii 32 指標 2小時前

WoJ seems very unreliable when it comes to the spurs.

馬刺球迷：沃神報道的馬刺的消息都不怎麼靠譜。

[–]SpursToothlessBastard 25 指標 2小時前

Probably because they"re so tight-lipped. So Woj can only speculate.

There"s a part of me that wonders if he despises this lack of access (especially in the middle of an odd moment in the Spurs franchise), and so he"s speculating in a way that reflects negatively on the organization, thereby using his credibility as leverage to convince someone on the Spurs to give him more access.

But hey, like Woj seems to be doing, I"m only speculating.

馬刺球迷：可能確實是口風比較緊吧，所以沃神也只是靠推測了。

我有點好奇，Woj是不是因為被密不透風馬刺的拒之門外，所以心生芥蒂（尤其趕上是馬刺在賽季中期出這檔子事），於是直接用推測的內容來散播馬刺的負面新聞，以此來迫使馬刺給予他更多的知情權。

但是話又說回來，我也是瞎說而已，就像沃神可能也只是瞎說一樣。

[–]Pistonszepg 1459 指標 3小時前

this whole situation is so weird

這整個事兒里里外外透著一股子詭異的氣息。

[–]Knicks Tankswagonshy247er 771 指標 3小時前

It"s like when Tony Stark accidentally created Ultron and he went rogue.

就好像鋼鐵俠意外地創造出奧創，然後奧創就黑化了。

[–]76ersslipperysnail 85 指標 3小時前

Idk, Kawhi never showed as much emotion as Ultron

誰知道呢，科懷的情感流露比奧創還少的說。

[–]Spursgalvanickorea 72 指標 3小時前

The fact thay Parker and Ginobili have publicly spoken about this in that kind of way speaks volumes

馬刺球迷：之前二老已經在公開場合發聲了（而且還是以那種方式），這已經很說明問題了。

[–]Spursacciopizza_ 34 指標 3小時前

I agree.. the fact that all the vets were willing to come out and ask him to come back is pretty significant.

馬刺球迷：同意樓上看法……球隊里的老將們主動站出來並希望科懷回歸，這一點非常重要。

[–]DeaseanPrince 149 指標 3小時前

He"s either healthy and does not want to play for the Spurs in which case they need to shut him down this year and move him this summer Or he"s not healthy in which case everyone needs to get off his back.

倫納德現在的情況，要麼是雖然身體康復了，但是不想再為馬刺打球，球隊方面打算徹底棄用他，之後夏天想辦法把他送走；要麼就是還沒康復，大家也就都別嗶嗶了。

[–]tencentninja 221 指標 3小時前

Third option he is healthy but is having issues with returning due to either fear of further injury or other undisclosed mental issue like depression.

還有第三種情況，那就是他已經康復了，但是出於對傷病加深的擔憂或者說其他不能公開說明的心理因素（比如抑鬱症）之類的原因，才影響了他的復出計劃。

[–]Bulls Tankwagonwjbc 252 指標 3小時前

Wait, I thought Kawhi"s specialists had to clear him first.

"He"s got to be cleared by his medical staff that he"s seeing," Popovich said on March 14. "And until he gets cleared, we can"t make a decision on when he"s coming back. So once he gets cleared, then he and I can sit down and talk and see what we think about an appropriate time to come back. But that clearance has to be obtained first."

Are the players suspicious that the specialists are saying what Leonard wants them to say?

等會兒等會兒，我記得是說復出必須先徵求主治醫師的同意對吧：

「首先得是他的醫療團隊說沒問題了才行。」波波3月14號說到，「在那之前，我們都不知道他啥時候能復出。所以說，等他那邊都沒問題了，我和他就能坐下來好好聊聊，挑個合適的時間復出。但是還是要說，醫療團隊的批準是一切的前提。」

這麼說，難道是其他球員質疑醫療團隊只是把科懷交代他們的說辭拿了出來？

[–]Spurs33bour 165 指標 3小時前

That"s what I"m getting. That there"s some truth to the whole "his uncle is pushing to not risk his future, so Kawhi got his own medical team". I"m just kind of sick of this whole thing by now, and I get why Manu, Tony are frustrated

馬刺球迷：給我的感覺也是這樣，我感覺「科懷老舅怕傷勢影響小卡職業生涯，於是自己聘請了醫療團隊尋求治療意見「這檔子事現在看來真不是完全虛構啊。老實說，這事兒搞得我現在有點兒鬧心了，也理解為什麼馬努和帕克那麼沮喪了。

[–]SpursNoteful 86 指標 3小時前

That"s what it is. Someone is telling him not to risk his health. But he"s been cleared by Spurs Medical staff. There"s like a 99% certainty they"re correct in saying he"s good to play. They wouldn"t put his health in jeopardy. Or maybe they"re like Boston staff and they would?

馬刺球迷：說的就是啊，有人說不要拿生涯冒險。可是啊，明明馬刺的醫療團隊已經說沒事兒了，他們說沒問題，那基本上就應該是沒問題了啊。他們也不可能拿科懷的健康開玩笑的啊，除非他們也跟凱爾特人的醫療團隊似的兒戲？

[–]CelticsMakeMeASandwichBro 40 指標 3小時前

Hey man, we got rid of that staff.

凱爾特人球迷：我們沒有這樣的醫療團隊啊，不是我們啊，他們已經被我們開了啊。

[–]CavaliersBigMerlin4108 31 指標 3小時前

Spurs signed them.

可能又被馬刺簽去了吧。

[–]RaptorsUltimate_Broseph 31 指標 3小時前

Correct me if I』m wrong but didn』t the team doctors clear him but he is now waiting on his own guys to clear him.

But it』s also worth mentioning that when he first came back he was cleared by the team doctors.

要是我哪裡說錯了老哥們幫我指出來，話說馬刺隊醫不是已經確認他可以復出了嗎，他現在等的只是自己的醫療團隊的檢查結果吧。

但是還得說，他第一次短暫復出的時候，隊醫也已經批准了。

I think he is being cautious cause next year is a contract year. He probably doesn』t want to pull an IT and play through an injury right before a contract year.

所以我覺得啊，科懷只是想要小心小心再小心，畢竟明年合同年，可能他只是不希望再來一次小托馬斯的戲碼，在合同年將至的時候帶傷打球。

[–]LakersPM_ME_UR__UPVOTE 179 指標 3小時前

I"d trust my personal doc over the team doc as well. Those docs work for the team not for you.

換我我也是更信自己請的醫生的，而不是隊醫，要知道隊醫終歸是為球隊服務的，而不是為你球員服務的。

[–]dabarnz 99 指標 3小時前

Just look at what happened to IT. There is no loyalty in the Sports business and Leonard should put his health and own interests first.

看看小托馬斯吧，職業體育別跟我提忠誠，小卡需要關心的就是自己的健康和利益，其他都不重要。

[–]LakersPM_ME_UR__UPVOTE 62 指標 3小時前

Exactly, IT playing through his injury probably will cost him 100 mill too.

是的，小托馬斯帶傷打球，所付出的代價差不多達到1個億了。

[–]RocketsBabyHercules 79 指標 3小時前

Let』s say kawhi comes back and hurts himself, that organization would lose him mentally forever, I』m always gonna trust a player when it comes to their body, doctors be damned, plus kawhi doesn』t seem like the type to just sit out and collect a check

假設科懷復出之後又傷了，那馬刺就永遠失去小卡的心了。事關球員健康，我更願意相信球員自己，QTMD醫生吧。還有啊，小卡可不像是那種樂於躺著掙錢的主兒。

[–]HornetsSteveCurryAnkles 971 指標 3小時前

How does this convo go down??

Manu: 「pls come back Kawhi」

Kawhi: 「I can』t bro I』m hurt」

那這個會議聊的是啥呢？

馬努：「回來吧，求你了。」

小卡：「兄弟，真不行啊，我傷著呢。」

Then it goes 1 of 2 ways:

Manu/Tony: 「bro pls」

Manu/Tony: 「dude ur not hurt shut up」

接下來對話二選一：

A. 馬努/帕克：「求你了，真心的。」

B. 馬努/帕克：「老哥你根本沒傷，別BB。」

[–]Lakersfunnyhandlehere 367 指標 3小時前

I think this section from the article probably has the answer, which is option 3:

Leonard has impressed his coaches and teammates in 3-on-3 and 4-on-4 workouts

Option 3: Dude, you"re killing it in practice. You"re ready.

我覺得其實原文的內容已經給你答案了，但是並不是你這兩個。

科懷在3v3和4v4的訓練中的表現都已經讓教練和隊友很滿意了。

C. ：老哥，你在訓練賽都大殺特殺了。你已經準備好復出了。

[–]ChasingItLikeDWest 205 指標 3小時前

I think this whole thing has a lot to do with his personality. I know someone who loves to be there for everyone and help people. When he"s going through stuff though, he ghosts everyone and doesn"t allow people to be there for him.

事情演變成這樣，很大程度上也是科懷自己的個性導致的。有些人很喜歡幫助別人，在別人困難的時候提供陪伴，但是當這些樂於助人的熱心人自己遇到困難時，他們習慣於將自己封閉起來，躲避別人的幫忙

[–][OKC] Andre Robersonthrow3away3791 87 指標 3小時前

This season sucks.

這個賽季真的見了鬼了。

[–]Rocketsrockets9495 692 指標 5小時前

Between the offseason, Fultz"s shoulder, the Ball family and now this I"ve never experienced a weirder NBA season. This year is fucking nuts.

休賽期各種流言、富爾茨的肩膀、鮑爾家族還有現在馬刺這事兒，今年的NBA真是我看的最邪門的一季啊，太瘋狂了。

[–]Rocketsepab2350 350 指標 5小時前

Harden won"t finish 2nd in MVP voting either... very weird year.

火箭球迷：然後哈登MVP票選錯失第二的位置，恩，太邪門了。

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