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Should India learn from China?

印度應該向中國學習嗎?

以下是印度網友評論:

Gangesh Shukla, Senior officer marketingAnswered Aug 11, 2017

Not like this , China must be learn from india , I am giving some example why .

1 : There is no freedom of speech . that they can learn from india .

2:From 2009 they have ban fb and google and other social sites , and resist his people they can only listen which his goverment wants .

2:you should know in China sucide case is too much , even you can get a job to search a dead body form rivers .

3: If you made any crime and get punished from court , and you have money , you can send other person in Jail instead of you .

4: As per Chinese except table and chairs , you can eat each and every thing those who are having 4 legs ..as per one article in once in a year they organizing one dog meet festivals and that day only they eat 10 lack dog in that particular day . same thing they are doing with cat also .

5: In Bijing city pollution level is too high , one day stay in city is compare to use 21 cigrate ..

6: Chinese are having conflict with with all the Neighbor.

I am not good in english ,so sorry , but hope guys you can understand what I want to say …

Gangesh Shukla 銷售高管

並非如此,相反中國必須向印度學習,我會給出具體的理由。

1.那裡沒有演講的自由。這是他們能向印度學習的地方。

2.自2009年以來,他們已經屏蔽了非死不可、谷歌等社交媒體,迫使他的人民只能聽到zf想要告訴他們的信息。

3.你得知道,在中國自殺事件層出不窮,你甚至可以得到一份從河裡打撈屍體的工作。

4.如果你犯了法,已經得到了法庭的制裁,然而你有錢,你就能找人替你進監獄。

5.除了桌子椅子,只要是4條腿的他們什麼都吃……每年這裡都要組織一次狗肉節,這一天他們每個人都要10條狗。貓也同樣遭此厄運。

6.在北京,污染水平太高了,在這座城市待一天就相當於抽了21支煙。

我英語不算好,很抱歉,但希望人們能理解我想要表達的意思……

Ashim Kumar, Software Developer -Chrome,Mozilla Extensions,Android AppsAnswered Dec 12Technically Yes!

Here is a list of 10 things which We can learn from China.

10. Transportation:

The way China has evolved its transportation model is worth loads of praise. China』s railway network is among the world』s best, and bullet trains make it possible for the countrymen to commute long distances within a few hours. The public transport is way better than India』s and air network is comprehensive unlike us.

9. Population control:

China owns the tag of most populous country in the world and India only finishes next to it giving it a close finish. Conversely, it would not take India a longer time to emerge as the country with most number of people. There are around 1.35 billion in China as compared to more than 1.2 billion in India presently. However, the way China has curbed the spiral rise of its population introducing various measures (one child norm, strict penalties, no citizenship to the third new born etc.) is worth teaching point or two to India.

8. Cleanliness:

Shanghai is the business capital of China and Beijing is the national capital. Those who have travelled to these cities would surely agree to a point that they were umpteen times better than Mumbai and Delhi respectively on the infrastructural and cleanliness index. Indians should take a leaf out of the book of Chinese nationals about how to keep country litter free and tidy.

7. Aggression:

The way China puts forward its point of view in front of the world is worth praising. It follows an aggressive posture in case the other nation is showcasing belligerent stance against it. As in the case of dispute with its neighbors (Philippines and Vietnam); China has been straight forward in putting across its viewpoint. This is what India needs to learn from China especially while dealing the turbulent relationship with Pakistan.

6. Education and research:

Despite the largest system in the world in terms of undergraduate (bachelor』s) enrollment in the degree system, India lacks in quality education set up. The present situation of vocational education is poor in the country. While China enrolls around 96 lakh students in vocational courses we only enroll around 40 lakh. In addition, China spends around 2% of its GDP on research work where the number is only around 1% in case of India.

5. Health system:

China faced similar problems as India is facing at present for most part of its existence post independence. However, with execution of proper medical and insurance policies and improvement in the medical sector of the country China achieved what was termed as impossible by the Western powers. The medical insurance cover has been increased to 95.7 percent in 2012 from low 29.7 percent in 2003.

4. Diplomacy:

Chinese are famous the world over for their diplomatic acumen. The way they have augmented their stronghold over almost all the parts of South Asia shows how well they design their diplomatic policies. The recent rebuff Indian company GMR received at the hands of small island nation named Mauritius (on the backing of China) itself shows they exhibit no nonsense attitude on the diplomatic front.

3. Disciplined execution of policies:

India is good at churning out policies, but the way implementation is carried out is pathetic. A great number of loopholes are left intact in the national policies for the law breakers to make their way into. This has left our country into a banana republic and policies are a matter of making money than progressing nation forward. Whereas, the Chinese associate proper execution of national policies with overall development of the country. They attribute success of policies with increase in revenue that could further result in increase in per capita income of the country.

2. Manufacturing policies:

The way China is dominating the world order with its immaculate manufacturing power (low volume and low cost based) is just next to brilliant. The way it prepares and executes its manufacturing policies leaves a lot for India to learn from. The best part is that China offers huge incentives to the manufacturing companies in the country through the SEZ』s and manufacturing rebates and this is what has made it a global manufacturing leader. The national manufacturing policies of India should be drafted keeping China in the backdrop because two decades ago, China too faced the same problems as we do at the moment.

1. Infrastructure development:

China is all set to take over US in a decade or less as the largest economy in the world. The main reason behind its spiraling growth rate is the magnificent and robust infrastructural set up it possesses. It is what led to its mercurial rise in the exports as ports, roads and railways tracks are of the top most class. On the other hand India is still battling with poor infrastructural set up despite investing crores since the time of independence. What India must learn from China on the foremost basis is that corruption is the root evil in almost all the nations in the world, but when it comes to infrastructure, we need proper development.

Ashim Kumar 軟體開發

技術上說,是的,印度需要向中國學習。

以下10件事是我們能向中國學習的。

10.交通運輸

中國已經發展出了值得驕傲的、獨特的交通運輸系統。中國的鐵路網是世界最好的,其子彈頭列車使得市民只需要數小時就可以長距離通勤成為可能。而公共交通也要比印度的好,而航空網也比印度的更廣泛。

9.人口控制:

中國是世界上人口最多的國家,而印度緊隨其後。印度要成為人口最多也花不了多少時間了。當前,中國是13.5億人口,而印度是12億。然而,中國通過各種各樣措施(一胎政策、精確的懲罰、生三孩取消公民身份)已經抑制住了人口的螺旋上升,這點值得印度借鑒一二。

8清潔:

上海是中國的金融首都,而北京是國家首都。任何去過這些城市的人都同意,它們在基礎設施和清潔指數方面,要比孟買和德里好無數倍。印度人需要從中國公民身上學習如何讓國家保持整潔。

7.侵略好鬥

值得驕傲的是,中國提出自己的觀點。一旦其他國家展現出交戰的立場,中國就會採取好鬥姿態。在與其鄰國的衝突之中,中國直截了當的達成了其目的。這是印度需要從中國學習的地方,尤其是解決跟巴基斯坦的混亂關係。

6.教育和研究:

印度除了是世界上在冊大學生最多之外,其並沒有建立起教學質量體系。當前這個國家的職業教育非常貧乏。而中國每10萬人就有96人接受職業教育,而我們只有40人。再者,中國將其GDP的2%投入到研究工作,而印度只有1%。

5.衛生系統

自印度獨立以來所面臨的問題,中國也差不多面臨著同樣的問題。然而,通過施行合適的醫療保險政策,以及促進國家醫療部門的發展,中國實現了西方國家不可能達到的地步。其醫療保險覆蓋率增長到了95.7%,相比於2012年只有29.7%。

4.外交

中國以外交智慧而名聞世界。他們把自己的要塞擴張到了幾乎整個南亞地區,來展示他們設計的外交政策有多麼的成功。當前斷然拒絕印度公司GMR的要求的就出自一個叫模里西斯的國家(有中國撐腰),中國展示了自己在外交上沒有任何無意義的姿態。

3.嚴格執行政策:

印度擅長炮製政策,但被執行的數量少得可憐。國家政策完整保留了大量的漏洞,使得法律破壞者有了可乘之機。這把印度變得香蕉共和國,其政策對錢的在乎超過了國家進程。然而, 中國通過國家的全面發展來執行政策。政策的成功使得稅收增加,這更進一步會增加國家的人均收入。

2.製造業政策:

中國用自己完美的製造業實力主導了世界秩序。其對製造業政策的準備和執行,有很多都是印度需要學習的。其中最好的一部分是中國通過經濟開發區和稅收減免來刺激其製造業公司。這使得中國成為全球製造業的領頭人。印度的國家製造業政策在在制定過程中需要以中國為模版,要知道20年前,中國也面臨我們這時所面臨的困境。

1.基礎設施的發展:

中國準備好在接下來的十年里超越美國成為世界最大經濟體。其背後的主要原因在於可觀的經濟增長率和強健的基礎設施。正是因為其出口產品如港口、道路、鐵路軌道是世界頂尖級別的,才使得其增長如此迅速。

另一方面,印度依然在與其貧乏的基礎設施作鬥爭,除了自獨立以來在基礎設施上投入了1000萬盧比之外什麼都沒有。

印度必須向中國學習的最重要的一點就是:腐敗幾乎是世界所有國家的邪惡之源,但當涉及到基礎設施之時,我們就需要合適的發展。

Giridharan Velamore, A complete Indian by spiritAnswered Nov 30, 2016

Question: Should India learn from China?

Question detail: India was ahead of China in the 80』s. And now China is ahead of even the US.

Answer: Sorry, I doubt if the Question detail is right. If you have any reference, please share it. Historical GDP of China - Wikipedia.

In fact till 1980, both economies had been more or less equal and they took a zoom afterwards. Why? Chairman Mao Zedong had died in 1976 and after that Huo Guofeng, his designated successor followed. He was unimaginative and came up with, Two Whatevers - Wikipedia. Then Chairman Deng Xioping came and he introduced Four modernizations (in Agriculture, Industry, Science and Technology) and Socialism with Chinese characteristics. Basically it was economic reforms and opening up.

In the case of India, our economic reform had not started until 1991 - a decade after China』s headstart. It happened during the time of the great PM, Mr. Narasimha Rao and the great economist (but sadly an unimpressive PM) Dr. Manmohan Singh.

Can we learn from China? Yes, we can. And as Sharath mentioned, we are doing it. We created Special economic zones and Export processing zones looking at Chinese model. We will have to adopt it to suit our needs.

Our economic reforms was driven by a crisis. In the case of China it was a different political decision taken by paramount leader, Deng Xioping. It was a different path from that of Mao Zedong or Huo Guofeng.

We have to bear in mind that India is a democracy and China has an authoritarian rule. With an authoritarian rule, they can implement many things much more quickly than India. I don』t think India can choose an authoritarian rule like them. It will simply fail. Indians will never accept it and anyone who tries is will fail before it even starts.

Giridharan Velamore 純粹的印度人

你的問題是:印度需要向中國學習嗎?

問題細節:印度在上世紀80年代領先於中國。而如今中國甚至已經領先於美國。

我的答案:抱歉,我懷疑這個所謂的「問題細節」是否是對的。如果你有任何參考資料,請提供出來。

事實上,直到上世紀80年代,兩國(中印)的經濟都差不多,之後他們都進入的發展的快速軌道。為何會這樣呢?自毛主席與1976年去世,指定的繼任者是華,他缺乏建設性並追隨「兩個凡是」的方針。之後鄧主席登台,他引入了「四個現代化」(農業、工業、科學和技術)以及中國特色社會主義。簡單說就是經濟是改革和開放。

而印度,我們的經濟改革並不是始於1991年。而是發生於偉大的納拉辛哈·拉奧總理執政期間,還有偉大的經濟學家曼莫漢·辛格博士的功勞(遺憾的是他沒有前者有名)。

(譯註:納拉辛哈·拉奧,即帕穆拉帕提·文卡塔·納拉辛哈·拉奧(Pamulaparthi Venkata Narasimha Rao)(1921年6月28日 – 2004年12月23日),印度總理(1991~1996)。 拉奧屬婆羅門種姓。),

我們能向中國學到什麼嗎?當然能。正如Sharath所提到的那樣,我們正在這麼做。我們創立了中國模式的經濟特區,出口加工。我們不得不這麼做來適應自己的需求。

我們的經濟改革是由危機來驅動的。而中國則是完全不同的政治決策,它由最高領導人鄧來做出決定。這與之前的毛和華是不一樣的。

我們還要記住的是,印度是皿主政體而中國是毒菜統治。通過毒菜統治,他們能以印度快得多的速度實施各個政策。我認為印度沒法像他們那樣成為毒菜國家。它失敗了。印度人絕不會接受它的,任何想要這樣嘗試的都會如過去那樣失敗。

Gurasees Singh, Student at Punjab Engineering College,Chandigarh (2016-present)Answered Jan 26

Every country or a political system has its own ups and downs.

There is always a room for improvement though.

Every time I think about China and India,I remember the time of 1970s, how the two economies used to be at par and how both had the same development rate. But, by the end of 1977,the graph changed.

In February of 1978 Chairman Hua Guofeng revealed a ten year plan for the period 1976-1985.

The Plan involved 120 projects:

Iron and Steel:10 complexes

Nonferrous Metals:9 complexes

Oil and Gas:10 fields

Coal:8 mines

Electricity:30 power stations

Railroad:7 trunk lines

Water Transportation:5 harbors

In 1977 China was still a predominantly agricultural economy but the government had not supported institutional and technological measures to increase productivity and, as a consequence, per capita production of grains had remained at 1955 levels. The Ten-Year Plan called for a $33 billion investment in the mechanization of agriculture and improvement of irrigation. One important side-effect of this program is that if it worked there would be 100 million workers who would be released from farming and for whom the government would have to make provisions for in other sectors. The institutional structure was modified to encourage higher production through individual initiative and more flexible production arrangements. Commune farmers were encouraged to pursue sidelines of production on small plots.

China turned to encouraging foreign investment as a way of financing the development projects. German and Japanese companies provided the capital for major projects in return for a share of the benefits.

Moreover,when soviet unx broke down,China bought the best of best metallurgy enggineers,nuclear scientists and other specialised personnels of the unx.

This overall led to drastic sudden growth.

China became a business hub, and a country that had earlier been just a large piece of land, influenced by other colonials turned into a world super power.

The sense of nationalism that the chinese have and the effective,but dictating leadership of the communist party further boosted the process.

Now, with respect to the above facts,I feel India can learn a lot from China .

There are tons of problems in India, let it be corruption, overpopulation, reservations, and many others, but what are the root problems???

Bad Politics and lack of nationalism in the citizens!!!

The leadership is corrupted and indulges in the policy of vote banks and other practices of bad politics. The very citizens blindly follow these dirty leaders and thus deviate from the path of development. Nationalism is not inculcated by saying 「Bharat Mata ki Jai」. It is when you work for your country keeping your personal gains aside. The government should be of the people,by the people, for the people.

Effective leadership, hardcore positive nationalism, heavy FDIs,ending reservations and focussing on metallurgy can be some of the things India can learn from China

Gurasees Singh 旁遮普工程學院學生(2016年-至今)

任何一個國家或一個政治體系都有其優點和缺點。

總能找到改進的空間。

每當我想到中印,我就會回想起上世紀70年代,兩國經濟水平、發展水平曾經多麼的相似,但1977年之後,曲線圖就變了。

1978年2月,華主席提出了1976-1985年的十年計劃。

該計劃涉及120個項目:

鋼鐵、有色金屬、石油天然氣、煤炭、電力、鐵路、水上交通。

1977年,中國依舊是農業為主的經濟體,但zf不再為提升生產率提供政策和技術上的支持,其結果是人均穀物產量維持在了1955年的水平。

十年計劃需要為農業機械化和提升灌溉技術投入330億美元。這個計劃的一個重要的副作用就在於從農田中釋放了1億勞動人口,而zf必須讓其他行業為此做好準備。

制度結構被調整為,通過鼓勵個人主動性和更加靈活的生產調整,來鼓勵更高質量的產品。公社農民們被鼓勵在小塊土地上繼續從事生產副業。

中國轉變為鼓勵外國投資,通過這種方式來為發展項目籌措資金。德國和日本公司為主要項目提供資金,作為回報,利益共享。

此外,自蘇聯崩潰之後,中國就僱傭了其中最好的冶金學工程師、核科學家和一些專門領域的工作人員。

以上所有因素,導致了突然地劇烈增長。

中國,一個早期只有大片土地並受到殖民影響的的國家,一舉成了商業中心。

民族主義情緒以及CCP領導人進一步鞏固了這個進程。

現在,基於對以上事實的尊重,我認為印度要向中國學習的東西有很多。

印度存在堆積如山的問題,比如腐敗、人口過多、預留制、等等,但問題的根源在哪兒???

國民糟糕的政治和民族主義的缺乏!!!

領導人的腐敗、沉迷於選票政治和其他一些糟糕的政治行為。正是盲目的市民跟隨這些骯髒的領導人,導致偏離了發展軌道。民族主義不是反覆喊一喊「印度萬歲」就算完了。民族主義是你基於自己的利益而為你的國家工作。Zf理應源於人民、授於人民、服務於人民。

有效領導、直接又積極的民族主義、大量國外直接投資(FDI)、廢除預留制、把精力集中於冶金,是印度可以向中國學習的一些方面。

Sureya Vayshnava KumarAnswered Jul 21, 2017

Nice question. The Indian economy and Chinese economy are vastly similar in various aspects and it is widely regarded that India is at the position where China was 2 decades ago. Looking at the economies alone one would prudently derive from logic that India should go the Chinese way to dig into fortunes, however one cannot overlook the social demographics and domestic issues of India which are vastly different from China.

One cannot also look away from the fact that India is a democracy where the people have enormous liberties in deciding the government policies whereas the Chinese government is an authoritarian government which provides reasonable liberties. For example, the recent plan of issuing Biometric ID cards (Aadhar cards) for citizens to avail subsidies and benefits of government schemes has met with stringent opposition by the people. Whereas the Chinese government can dexe and block WhatsApp messages of Chinese government.

Another thing I must point out is that even though Indian economy was ahead of China, although not by much in the 1980』s it was not as if India was doing better than China but rather the case of Chinese doing much worse than India. India was growing at slower late of like what 3% compared to the world』s globalization induced growth of 5%. The reason for India』s slow growth were protectionism, flawed attachment to socialism, internal tussles and a foreign policy which put us in the ire of world power ( We liberated Bangladesh, did not pick sides in cold war, also did not join Vietnam war etc.) and as for Chinese - let us say they just had misplaced priorities.

Also similarly,the growth of Chinese economy does not mean that India is doing bad but rather the Chinese are doing better. In the past 2 decades India has been growing at an average of 6–7 which is quite good in my books. Also when the world is slowing down and even China is growing at 6–7, Indian economy is stable.

Nevertheless, India is learning a lot from Chinese growth. That is why we have opened up our markets with 100% FDI in various sectors and inviting overseas investors (including Chinese) to set up factories. The ease of doing business has also being taken care of. Make in India has largely been successful till now and I hope it takes off to further heights. The government is also pushing in right directions with privatizing lot of government machinery according to PPP model and spending on infrastructure.

In the end I would say that India cannot rapidly transform as Chinadid and should not as well but India is on the path to become one of the major powers along with China, and hopefully one of the most peaceful ones to do so.

It is only elementary to see that 21st century is where the centre of power shifts to Asia.

Sureya Vayshnava Kumar

不錯的問題。

印度和中國的經濟在很多方面都有很多共同之處,印度普遍被視為20年前的中國。僅從經濟角度看,人們就會謹慎地得出印度應該走中國的道路去尋找機遇的邏輯。然而人們無法忽視的是印度的社會人口統計和國內問題,這點跟中國完全不同。

最近為公民發放生物識別身份證(Aadhar卡片)的計劃遭到了民眾的強烈反對,該計劃旨在讓公民享受zf計劃的補貼和福利。到了中國zf,就可以刪除和屏蔽有關中國zf的WhatsApp消息。

另一點我必須要指出來的是,上世紀80年代印度經濟還走在中國的前面,儘管並不比中國多多少,但也不代表印度做得比中國更好,相反寧願說那時的中國做得比印度糟糕得多。

印度當時的經濟增長相比於世界經濟增長5%,只有3%。其緩慢的經濟增長原因得歸功於保護主義、有缺陷的社會主義、內部紛爭,以及使我們對世界強國感到憤怒的外交政策(我們解放了孟加拉、冷戰期間不選邊站、也沒有加入到越南戰爭等)。而(當時的)中國人則搞錯了發展的優先順序。

同樣相似還在於,中國的經濟增長與其說是印度做得不好,倒不如說中國做得更好。在過去20年里,印度平均增長率在6-7%,依我看這相當不錯了。此時世界經濟增長下滑,即便是中國的增長也降到了6-7%,印度經濟是穩健的。

然而,印度可以從中國的增長中學到很多東西。這也就是為什麼我們100%開放自己眾多行業的市場,邀請海外投資者(包括中國人)來這裡開辦工廠。經商的便利性也被考慮了進來。「印度製造」很大程度上也是成功的,我希望未來它能進一步提高比重。根據購買力平價以及在基礎設施上提供資金,Zf私有化大量zf機構,這走在了正確的方向上。

最後我得說,印度無法迅速過渡到中國這樣,也不應該這麼做。但印度會隨中國一道成為主要的強權,也希望印度能成為最為愛好和平的其中一個國家。

眾所周知的是,21世紀是權力向亞洲轉移的世紀。

Shilpa Singh, I love my country and am hardcore patriotic.Answered Aug 10, 2017Yes

They have turned it all around since the year 1979.

They are the global hub for Manufacturing and largest exporter of goods. Their per capita GDP income has grown exponentially. We can consider china to be one of worlds major economies.

China"s one child policy has tremendously helped China in controlling population growth.

China is also working majorly on enhancing its infrastructure, like building megacities airports, roads, tunnels, railways.

They are developing and they are developing with Speed.

China does not face that many internal issues as India and with people support and determined leaders, China will gain the success she is looking for.

Indian democracy provides freedom, sometimes too much freedom. This freedom is misused regularly hence India"s development is under shackles.

Its so easy to go on a strike, call for a shutdown, funny part leaders themselves call for a shutdown, during those times public properties are burnt causing humongous losses.

Opposition parties, Media are busy in spreading Propoganda rather than doing something constructive.

Population growth is humongous despite of 2 children policy, As Govt is unable to enforce such policies.

India is facing many internal and external demons.

India needs to conquer her internal demons and us Indians have a major part to play.

Shilpa Singh 我愛我的國家並弘揚愛國主義

(譯註:此人是一位印度女性)

印度需要向中國學習嗎?是的。

自1979年,中國經濟完全好轉。

他們是全球製造業中心,也是最大商品出口國。他們的人均GDP收入以指數方式增長。我們視中國為世界主要的經濟體之一。

中國的一孩政策驚人地控制了中國的人口增長。

中國以非常手段增強其製造業,例如修建特大城市、機場、道路、隧道、鐵路。

他們不僅在發展,而且速度很快。

中國沒有面臨如印度一般的內部紛爭,基於人民的支持和堅決的領導人,中國將會得到她正追求的成功!

印度皿主提供了自由,有時候是太過自由了。自由普遍被濫用了,這導致印度的發展束手束腳。

很容易就會罷工,要求政府關門,紈絝領導人自己呼籲政府關門,在這段時間裡,公共財產被燒毀,造成巨大的損失。

反對黨、媒體忙於散播政治宣傳,而非提供建設性的舉措。

除非執行2孩政策,人口增長會非常迅速,然而zf沒有能力執行這樣的政策。

印度正面臨大量內部和外部敵人。印度需要解決這些內部敵人,這也是我們印度人需要著手處理的主要問題。

Nakul Kaushal, Operations Associate at TEDxGLAU (2017-present)Answered Aug 12, 2017

Yes! Because there are many areas where we are weaker than them !

「China developed faster than India」

China used more concrete in three years than the USA did in 100 years of the 20th century

Which means that there are so many buildings, roads, hospitals, toilets, homes, Schools, Recreation centers, i.e. You can』t have a civilization in a Desert.

To have a civilization you need Infrastructure. The history of USA begins with revolutions - the rail road connecting the west to east - the inter state highways etc…

It is easier to show than to tell. Let me show you a few maps and try to figure out why China is developing faster than India.

THE YELLOW LINES

Do you see the yellow lines? The yellow lines are six lane express ways - Interstate high speed lines. Do you see how many highways exist in USA? USA is filled with yellow lines - These yellow lines are like high speed - 1GBPS optical fibers laid across the country i.e. I can take my huge truck full of cars from one corner of my country to the other without applying any brakes in full throttle and conduct my business. i.e. SELL;

CHINA vs INDIA

Now let us take a look at china - They laid so many roads that it is filled with express ways - six lane roads

Compare that with India

India has only two express ways - For a country of Billion People

(1) New Delhi - Agra - Lucknow - The Yamuna Express way - (Vishal Khanna - Thanks for the edit )-

(2) Ahmedabad to Vadodara - Barely visible on this map

PAKISTAN - It has one huge expressway connecting - Islamabad - Lahore - Peshawar - Thank to CHINA.

What is TRADE?

(1) MANUFACTURING AND SERVICES - Development Products (R&D) or People (training)

(2) LOGISTICS - The movement of Goods or People

(3) SALES AND MARKETING - The art of Selling Goods or People

Let us take this simple definition - for practical purposes - There are tons of other factors involved in trade and development - like Imports - Exports - Comparative Advantage - Exchange Rates - Fiscal Policy - Monetary Policy

Let us ignore all of them for a moment - Let us consider internal trade of various countries.

The hallmark of a developed country is the ease of trade - The ease of starting a business.

If I do not have a place to sit - i.e. to set up shop - Where would I start Manufacturing or Training People

In India - If I wish to set up a factory - I would not have any buildings - I would not find any free space - If I do find a free space - There would be tons of red tape before I can get approvals - If there is no infrastructure to begin with I would not be able to do anything. I visit the local government school and I find that the roof leaks when it rains - does not have a fan in hot summer - is not connected by roads - the roads that are laid - were laid ten years ago and are now filled with pot holes. LOGISTICS i.e. the art of moving goods - there are no roads - There are no air ports - there are no shipping ports. SALES and MARKETING - selling Indian Goods - is pain not just in the ass but all over! You will understand this because - every Indian Good falls short in quality - according to international standards - most of the Indian goods are discarded i.e. thrown away because they don』t fit the requirements set by the buyer. Corruption is not a problem - it never was - Businessmen would earn more profits to pay for the corrupt - but the problem is that the corrupt money is not being used for infrastructure - China is as corrupt as India!

What is China Doing?

China has many structural advantages compared to India

They are communists - They will kill anyone who stands in the way of the state! They will not hesitate - They will not forgive - They will exterminate ruthlessly.

The state is atheist not secular - The state only tolerates religion and culture - mind the word TOLERATES i.e. if the state at any point of time believes that the religion is against the state or any culture is against the state - It will exterminate the religion or the culture. The great cultural destruction during Mao』s era is a proof of the extremes to which Chinese would go!

It is a very good thing - China had a clean slate - a fresh slate - a slate cleansed with blood of many people who died during the struggle. China got rid of all the superstitions along with their old culture. India on the other hand lives in these superstitions -

China is a COPY PASTE MACHINE - of profit making

China copies - it copies profit making machines - If a business model is working - they will copy it - They copied Iphone - not just the phone but the Istore - that is an incredible achievement - They copied KFC - They copied McDonalds i.e. in china there is a chain of McDonald stores - not owned by McDonald. They have a copy of facebook - they have a copy of uber - they have a copy of twitter - they have a copy of a copy of a copy i.e. there are other companies trying to make copies of the chinese copies.

The entire chinese state understood - the necessity of development - and they are pushing for it at any cost. Most of the chinese cities are covered with smog - but chinese can』t afford to stop their development - They need to make goods - services and sell them to make profits - as long as they make profits they develop.

The Chinese are done with roads within their country - They are now hell bend on REBUILDING THE SILK ROAD - CONNECTING TO EUROPE - which means direct trade with Europe - The richest parts of the world - Germany - UK - France - Spain - Greece - Russia - Belgium - Netherlands - Which will make china a lot lot richer - they will make tons and tons of money - which means more roads and more and more investments.

The Chinese are done with Rails - Now they are building railways in Africa - The chinese firms are now done with building railways in their own nation - They can only maintain the existing railways - there is no scope left for new ones. They built railways to the farthest reaches of China - They often crossed borders with their railways into India - Not at all funny. They are now making strategic development investments in many countries - Pakistan - African Nations - Bangladesh - Myanmmar - They are willing to throw trains at anyone who needs help and have something to offer to china in return - even debt!

The Chinese are done with PORTS - All these are ports developed by China

The Growth Engine of China owes a lot of its Exports and Export trade is done by ships - not by road or by rail. Globalization happened over Container Terminals, Ports and Oceans - Unfortunately most of Indian - Ports are unfit for Docking International Ships - Hilarious but True - Indians never invested in making their ports world class - Chinese are done with ports not only in their country but also internationally -

The only comparable infrastructure of India with China is in terms of AIRPORTS - India can compete with China on air traffic.

But this too will pass - With China building hundreds of airports - by 2020 they will induct more than 100 new airports - to tackle the extreme congestion and delays in air port travel across the nation.

I WILL SUM IT UP

India pales in comparison to China in International Patents

NOTHING CAN BE DONE WITHOUT INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE - i.e. utilization of WEALTH to create more WEALTH - which starts a virtuous cycle

Equivalent to investing the first twenty years of your life to education - China spent twenty years of its life from 1980 to 2000 in learning about developing profit making machines and investing in them - building cities - tows - roads - railways - and everything and anything in a mad rush to build - sell - repeat;

make - sell - repeat; after millions of these selling cycles to international customers - The Country is now reaping the fruits of its investments made decades ago and pursued relentlessly.

Thanks !

Kindly upvote if you really think the same and having some ideas for the change you want to bring ? Comment if you have any !

Nakul Kaushal

「中國發展得要比印度快」

中國3年里所使用的水泥要比美國20世紀100年里所消耗的水泥還要多。

這意味著這裡存在大量的建築、道路、醫院、廁所、住家、學校、娛樂中心。

要創建文明你就需要基礎設施。美國的歷史始於革命:從西部連接到東部鐵路,洲際告訴公路等等

圖片比文字更有說服力。我先提供幾張地圖,然後再試著解釋為何中國發展要比印度快。

黃線

瞧見黃線了嗎?黃線就是六車道公路:美國洲際高速公路。你瞧見美國有多少高速公路嗎?美國這些黃線就像是高速1GB光纖寬頻一般穿過整個國家。

就像是,我能開著我那裝滿小轎車的卡車從我國家的某一角落開往另一個角落,不需要剎車全速前進。

中國 VS 印度

現在我們來瞧瞧中國:他們鋪設大量道路,都是六車道的高速公路。

相比於印度,印度只有兩車道公路,為這個十數億人口的國家提供服務。

1. 新德里-阿格拉-勒克知-亞穆納高速公路;

2. 艾哈邁達巴德 -瓦爾道拉(城市名,位於印度的西部)

貿易是什麼?

1.製造和服務。開發生產(研發)或者人口培訓。

2.後勤。商品和人員運輸。

3.銷售和市場。

基於實際目的,涉及貿易和發展的因素非常的多,例如:出口、進口、比較優勢、外匯匯率、財政政策、貨幣政策。再來看一看眾多國家間的內部貿易。發達國家的特徵就在於貿易的便利性:經商的便利。

如果我找不到地方來開設商店。那麼我又如何開始製造或者培訓人員呢?

在印度,如果我想要開辦工廠,我找不到建築,找不到自由空間,如果我需要,在得到批准前必須面對一大堆繁文縟節。如果這裡沒有(必要的)基礎設施,那我什麼都做不了。

我拜訪過當地官辦學校,我發現屋頂會在下雨時漏水,炎夏時沒有風扇,沒有相互連接的道路,有鋪設的道路,也是10年前的,而如今到處是坑坑窪窪。

後勤,貨物運輸的藝術。然而這裡沒有道路,沒有機場、沒有港口。

銷售和市場。銷售印度商品。絕大多數印度商品,基於國際標準都達不到質量標準。絕大多數印度商品都被丟掉,因為他們滿足不了購買者的要求。

腐敗不是問題,從來都不是。商人可以賺得更多利益來支付腐敗,問題是貪腐掉的錢並沒有用於基礎設施。中國跟印度一樣腐敗!

中國在做什麼?

中國相比印度擁有很多結構上的優勢。

他們是GC主義。他們會殺掉所有擋在這個國家面前的任何人!他們不猶豫、不原諒、他們消滅對手毫不留情。

這個國家是世俗的無神論國家。如果這個國家相信某個宗教在反對這個國家或者某個文化在反對這個國家,它就會消滅這個宗教或者文化。毛時期文化革命的破壞證明了中國極端主義的樣子!

好事在於,中國那些清洗的歷史,這些歷史是由鬥爭期間大量人員的鮮血堆出來的。中國清除了所有迷信思想和舊文化。另一方面印度還生活在這些迷信之中。

中國的山寨

中國複製,複製有利可圖的機械。如果一個商業模式有效,他們就會複製。他們複製蘋果、不僅是手機還包括其應用商店,這是一個令人難以置信的目標。

他們複製肯德基,複製麥當勞。他們複製非死不可、複製uber,複製推特,複製一切。另外一些公司也試圖複製中國的山寨品。

整個中國都明白,發展的必要性,不惜付出一切代價。絕大多數中國城市都受到了污染但中國人無法停下自己的發展。他們需要製造商品,提供服務和銷售來賺錢。只要能賺錢就能發展。

中國國內的路已經修完了。

如今他們下定決心重建絲綢之路,來連接至歐洲!這意味著與歐洲的直接貿易,世界上最富有的地方。這裡可以讓中國賺很多很多的錢。這裡有大量的道路可以修,大量的資產可以投資!

中國的鐵路已經修完了。

如今他們把鐵路修進了非洲。中國公司現在在自己國家已經修完了鐵路。他們支撐保養現存的鐵路。他們修建了中國最快的鐵路,他們常常穿越邊境進入了印度,這並不有趣。

他們現在在許多國家指定了投資發展戰略:巴基斯坦、阿富汗、孟加拉、緬甸。他們樂意為任何需要得到幫助的國家提供火車,作為回報就是:債務!

中國的港口也修建完了。所有這些港口都是中國開發的。

中國的增長引擎很大程度上依賴於出口,而出口貿易是由船隻完成的,而不是通過公路或鐵路運輸。全球化發生在集裝箱碼頭、港口和海洋上——不幸的是,大多數印度港口都不適合停靠國際船隻——這很可笑,但卻是真實的——印度人從來沒有投資過他們的港口以達到世界水準——中國人不僅在他們的國家有,而且在國際上都有港口。

中國還沒有完成機場建設

但2020年他們將建成這些機場。

印度唯一能跟中國的基礎設施相提並論,某種意義上只有機場了。印度可以在空中交通上與中國競爭。但這點很快也會被超越。基於中國正在修建數百個機場,到2020年超過100個新機場將會正式使用。來解決這個國家極其擁擠的航空交通。

總而言之

(圖解:專利發明數量)

印度在面對中國的國際專利發明上顯得蒼白無力。

沒有基礎設施上的投資,一切都無從談起。利用財富來賺取更多財富,以此開始良性循環。

你人生的頭二十年用來投資教育。中國花了20年時間(1980年到2000年)來發展圖利機器並投資於此。修建城市,城鎮,道路、鐵路,瘋狂的修建一切東西、然後銷售掉,如此循環。

製造 – 銷售 – 重複;數百萬次這樣的銷往國際客戶的循環之後,這個國家到了收割數十年前種下的果實的時候了,它無情的追求著這一切。

Abhishek Pattnaik, AtheistAnswered Jul 27, 2017Pragmatism.

"Keep a cool head and maintain a low profile. Never take the lead - but aim to do something big."

-Deng Xiaoping

We need this a lot. Our country is rising rapidly but we still are far from being a Superpower. At best,we can be considered as a Nascent Great Power.

However,Indians are nowadays bragging in excess about the power that their 「Country」 yields. This is bad. Humbleness and Pragmatism (as symbolified by the quote above) is something which we need. Our behaviour is unlike China』s. China has been a member of the UNSC since 1971 but it"s people refused to brag about their status untill recent.

We can achieve our goals only if we quit boasting about it and start working quietly.

Abhishek Pattnaik 無神論者

實用主義。

「保持冷靜、保持低調。絕不帶頭,但致力於干大事。」 ——鄧小平。

我們需要學習的東西太多了。我們的國家正在迅速崛起,但我們距離超級大國依然遙遠。最好的就是,我們可以被視為初期的強權。

然而,印度人至今夸夸其談其國家層面的實力。這很糟糕。謙遜和實用主義是我們所需要的品質。我們的表現不像中國。中國自1971年已經是聯合國常任理事國之一,但中國人直到最近都拒絕誇耀自己的地位。

我們要實現我們的目標,只有當我們停止自誇並迅速開始工作才行。


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