賈巴爾親筆：詹姆斯是比我更強的球員？那鷹眼比綠箭俠更厲害嗎？

Kareem: Is LeBron James a better player than me? Is Hawkeye better than Green Arrow? (theguardian.com)

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/may/31/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-nba-finals

卡里姆-阿卜杜爾-賈巴爾親筆：勒布朗-詹姆斯是比我更強的球員嗎？那鷹眼比綠箭俠更厲害嗎？

[–]Cavaliersgregosaurusrex 81 指標 19小時前 

Green Arrow pros: is a billionaire liberal activist with a fucking sweet Van Dyke goatee and super cool trick arrowheads like boxing gloves and shit. He"s smart, empathetic, and nails Black Canary to boot. He starred in one of the most progressive and mold-breaking comic book series of all time alongside Green Lantern in which drug addiction, social inequality, and wealth disparities were huge plot points.

Cons: stupid TV show, his outfit isn"t the coolest.

綠箭俠優勢：億萬富翁、自由派倡導者、留著一把凡戴克式的風騷山羊鬍、超帥氣的高科技箭頭比如拳擊手套箭頭等等。聰明、有同情心、還睡過黑金絲雀。他和綠燈俠一樣，都是最具先進和創新意義的漫畫作品中的主要角色，在這些漫畫中，毒/癮、社會不平等和財富分配不均都是重要的情節加分。

綠箭俠劣勢：翻拍的電視劇蠢得一批，而且他的制服也挺遜。

Hawkeye pros: pretty sweet costume in the 80"s and 90"s, has an awesome pizza dog, starred in a super fun comic series in which aforementioned dog made his entry into publication and more importantly our hearts. Got to nail Mockingbird. Has featured in several Marvel blockbusters.

Cons: not even important enough to cameo in Infinity War, created years after Green Arrow which suggests he may have been a rip-off.

鷹眼優勢：上世紀80和90年代他的服裝很是養眼、有一隻酷愛吃披薩的寵物狗、是一部超級有趣的系列漫畫主角，而且那隻狗狗讓他的形象走進大眾並且深入人心。睡過仿生鳥、還出演過漫威的幾部票房大作。

鷹眼劣勢：角色重要程度感人，以至於在《復聯3：無限戰爭》中都沒露臉，而且創作時間比綠箭俠要晚，從某種意義上來說有可能就是漫威模仿DC做出的仿製品。

I think Green Arrow is better.

綜上，我認為綠箭俠更厲害。

[–]Jazzwongo 111 指標 20小時前* 

Hawkeye is 100% a better marksman than Green Arrow, he"s basically Bullseye. Dude"s probably a mutant, actually.

E: this is a hilarious comment to go controversial on this sub, but c"mon, in some iterations of the comics, Hawkeye is actually incapable of missing.

作為射手來說，鷹眼可比綠箭俠強多了。他基本就是靶眼的水平，而且實際上他很有可能是個變種人。

編輯：我的這條評論能在咱nba板塊引起爭議想想也是搞笑，但是在漫畫的反覆迭代中，鷹眼實際上根本不可能射不中。

[–]Raptors Bandwagonmooshlfc 69 指標 19小時前 

Okay but green arrow can do much more than just shoot arrows, I』d say he』s better at hand to hand combat.

好吧，但綠箭俠不僅僅只會射箭，他還有更多技能，我覺得他比鷹眼的肉搏技術好。

[–]Mavericksredvelvetcake42 43 指標 22小時前 

This all depends. Hawkeye feats are pretty insane and, let"s assume Kareem is talking recent Arrow and Hawkeye, Hawkeye is far more impressive, but Arrow is straight up rich as fuck. Hawkeye is a more disciplined marksmen while Arrow is a better improviser. Just like how Kareem is one of the best centers ever and LeBron is one of the best forwards ever. Both are great, but in different ways.

那也得看情況。鷹眼的武藝其實很是高超。我們就假設賈巴爾在此所談論的是最近版本的綠箭俠和鷹眼，那鷹眼可比綠箭俠厲害多了。但綠箭俠簡直有錢到爆炸。鷹眼相比之下是個更為自律的射手，而綠箭俠能更好地即興發揮。就像賈巴爾是史上最好的中鋒之一，而勒布朗是最好的前鋒之一。二者都很強大，只是強大的點不一樣。

[–]Thewackman 93 指標 20小時前* 

Hawkeye is the better shooting guard, but arrow is a PF that can Bully his way to the rack and space the floor.

鷹眼是更好的得分後衛，但綠箭俠是能夠用身體開路撕開防守的大前鋒。

[–]Mavericksredvelvetcake42 28 指標 20小時前 

Better comparison than I did.

兄弟你說得更貼切。

[–]Thewackman 11 指標 20小時前 

Your comment took me there man, wouldn"t have been possible without you.

是你的評論給了我靈感，沒有你我做不到。

[–]Mavericksredvelvetcake42 14 指標 20小時前 

Ive always enjoyed being an assistaholic.

沒錯老哥，我一直享受做一名助攻狂魔。

[–]Thewackman 11 指標 20小時前 

You"re the PG of this comment thread, I"m the C Dunkin" your lob.

你就像傳出評論的控衛，我是完成空接的大中鋒。

[–]Cavaliershobbesfanclub 261 指標 21小時前 

What does this guy think? That philosophers like us spend all day on the internet trying to make impossible comparisons between who is better? Get this neckbeard out of here.

騎士球迷：賈巴爾想什麼呢？我們這些哲學家可能會每天在網上就想著做這些個不可能的對比嗎？就為討論誰更強？把這個絡腮鬍（通指一事無成的屌絲鍵盤俠）趕出去。

[–]Supersonicslady-grinning-soul 109 指標 20小時前 

Damn neckbeard

還真TM是大絡腮鬍。

[–]Clipperspblair92 2 points 19 hours ago

TIL Kareem, Lebron and I have similar beards.

今天我才知道，賈巴爾，勒布朗和我留著一樣的鬍子。

[–][LAL] Lonzo Ballswaggerqueen16 95 指標 19小時前 

Take a look at 4 eyes here!

湖人球迷：來看看這個四眼仔！

[–]Hawksmrferret 12 指標 15小時前 

My name is Roger Murdock. I"m the co-pilot.

我叫羅傑-默多克，我是飛機副駕駛。

[譯註1]

[譯註1]出自賈巴爾主演的無厘頭搞笑電影《空前絕後滿天飛》，賈巴爾飾演飛機副駕駛。

[–]RocketsWrexEverything 669 指標 21小時前 

Good article. Kareem has a way with words. It is a bit boring that basically all the discussion when it comes to basketball these days is about Lebron vs MJ. I get that it"s an important and compelling debate but there"s so much more interesting stuff that takes a back seat.

火箭球迷：賈巴爾文筆不錯啊，在文字方面他還真有兩下。最近我們討論籃球，無非就是討論勒布朗vs幫主，都有點無聊了。我懂，這種對比很重要，也很引人入勝，但是除了這些對比，還有很多有趣的事值得我們去發掘。

[–]76ersJustRecentlyI 57 指標 18小時前 

I think LeBron would win that.

76人球迷：我覺得勒布朗能夠戰勝幫主。

[–]WarriorsDanDierdorf 54 指標 17小時前 

Definitely, Bron vs. Kobe would be a better match up.

勇士球迷：我能肯定的是，勒布朗vs科比是更精彩的對位。

[–]LakersBoros-Reckoner 19 指標 13小時前 

Kobe would mindfuck Lebron the same way he did Kanye.（https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ickn8iipxUc）

湖人球迷：我科會像戲耍侃爺一樣把勒布朗也弄懵逼的。

視頻鏈接：科比在廣告中戲耍侃爺>>

視頻對話大意：

侃爺：你從我這還想得到什麼？科比：更多。

侃爺：你還想讓我變得多成功？科比：變得更成功。

侃爺：還有多少紀錄需要突破？科比：更多的紀錄。

侃爺：emmmm……但是……  科比：但是你是一頭不一樣的動物，同時還是同樣的野獸嗎？

侃爺：科比你TM到底啥意思？科比：不客氣。

[–]TheShortBig03 50 指標 21小時前 

Nothing is more interesting than a player competing to be the GOAT in a sport.

在體育世界當中，沒有什麼比一名運動員力爭成為史上最佳更有意思的了。

[–][WAS] Moses Maloneburnerfret 221 指標 21小時前

GOAT debates are really arguments over who has the better subjective ranking system, usually to support a preconceived favorite. They are nonsense.

奇才球迷：對於史上最佳球員的爭論不過就是球迷認為的哪位球員擁有更主觀的排名系統罷了，因為通常他們也就是支持自己預想設想好的最喜歡的球員。所以說球迷都是在瞎扯淡。

[–]WarriorsSchkateboarda 106 指標 19小時前 

There is no single GOAT.

There is just no way in the past 70 years that there is a single best player. The game has evolved too much and too many eras have passed. Is it fair to say that Wilt isn"t the GOAT just because he was alive when basketball was in a more raw phase? I don"t think so. Same applies to all the former legends. Wilt, Oscar, KAJ, Hakeem, etc. There is no way to fairly compare them to the guys we are watching today. We are all biased.

勇士球迷：根本就不存在唯一的史上最佳球員。

在過去的70年里，根本就不可能只存在一位最佳球員，因為比賽已經演化了太多，時代也更迭了太多。張伯倫不是史上最佳就是因為他在上古時代打球，這麼說公平嗎？我並不這樣認為。對於以前的傳奇球星都是這個道理，張伯倫，大O，賈巴爾，大夢，等等。把他們和我們現在看到的球員進行比較根本就不公平，因為我們都有偏見。

[–]Obi_Wan_Benobi 21 指標 16小時前 

This is where I』m at. I』ve just seen basketball change so much in the past 25+ years with my own eyes that it』s hard to discount the pre-Jordan era players like I used to, and equally difficult to judge the current players against history. Basketball has changed a LOT over the years.

這就是我也想表達的意思。在過去的25+年裡，我親眼見證籃球發生了巨變，我很難再像自己以前那樣去貶低幫主之前的球星了，同樣也很難再去將現在的球員和歷史球員作比較。籃球在這些年間真的變化太大了。

Jordan is still my favorite player of all time and the very reason I love basketball but the GOAT talk is fucking exhausting.

幫主仍是我最喜歡的球星而且仍是我熱愛籃球的原因，但成天討論史上最佳簡直TM太累了。

[–]SpursHexdren 15 指標 19小時前 

It is definitely not an important debate. It is actually meaningless and subjective in every way.

馬刺球迷：討論史上最佳球員明顯就不是啥重要的話題。這樣做其實毫無意義，而且從各方面看來都是主觀意願在作祟。

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantHemaG33 9 指標 17小時前 

Maybe he means that they』re both similar in their dominance but exist in different worlds.

湖人球迷：也許賈巴爾的意思只是說，他和勒布朗具有相似的統治力，只是他們存在的世界不同罷了。

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