吉諾比利鬼魅腳步史無前例，他是NBA歐洲步的大師兄？

運動 08-09

Ginobili"s footwork in "03 was unprecedented at the time

吉諾比利在2003年施展出來的這個腳步是當時前所未有的。

[–]TacoTown2081 274 指標 20小時前

Unprecedented or not, that was a hell of a move. Shaq went from thinking 「I』m about to swat the shit out of this guy, I am Kazaam, best center to ever play」 to standing still like a shaqtus

不管是不是史無前例吧，反正這個腳步是太炫酷了。奧尼爾一開始想「我可是精靈卡贊，有史以來最強中鋒，看我待會不特么把這小子冒的懷疑人生」，結果沒過一秒就變成了巨型仙人掌獃獃地站在那裡目送馬努得分。

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[譯註1]：奧尼爾在電影《精靈也瘋狂》（《kazaam》）中扮演過精靈卡贊。

[–]SpursSmokeyBare 48 指標 12小時前

Everyone knew Ginobili was going left, and they still couldn"t stop him.

馬刺球迷：所有人知道馬努會從左側突破，但就是沒人能攔住他。

[–]MinionNo9 33 指標 11小時前

What"s crazy is this still happens. He"s going left. You know he is going left. He"s been doing it for years. Just don"t let him go left. Reflex takes over and you let him go left.

瘋狂的是，他現在還能這麼突破。他一直從左側突破。你知道他肯定會從左側突破。他用這招用了很多年了。人們心裡都想不讓他從左側突破就行。但身體條件反射佔據了主導位置，你還是會被他從左側過掉。

[–]Spurskawhi_tho 63 指標 10小時前

Kobe brought this up in an interview, he said the Spurs have been at it for so long that there"s a whole new generation of players that don"t know their old tricks so they keep getting away with them

馬刺球迷：科比有次在採訪中提到過這事，他說馬刺這套班底在一起打球太久了，新生代球員根本不了解他們這些老把戲，以至於他們還是不停地被這幫老傢伙耍著玩啊。

[–]PelicansChrisTheMiss 464 指標 23小時前

i sprained my ankle just watching this

光看這個視頻我就把腳給崴了。

[–]Lakersbillybobjimmyjoe 151 指標 20小時前

I got diarrhea after watching this. It may not be related though.

我看完這個拉稀了，不過可能跟視頻沒啥關係。

[–]SpursPapa_Huggies 54 指標 20小時前

Nah every time I see some Manu highlights I subconsciously lick raw chicken

馬刺球迷：不不不，我每次看馬努的高光集錦我都下意識想用舌頭舔生雞肉。

[–]IguodalasDelts 377 指標 22小時前

That definitely looks a lot harder to pull off than your standard eurostep.

這絕對比標準歐洲步難多了。

[–]WizardsFat314 176 指標 19小時前

Also might cost me a couple of ankle ligaments if I try it at full speed.

而且如果要全速來這招的話我可能得報廢不少條腳踝韌帶。

[–][GSW] Draymond Greennagokart 39 指標 18小時前

And squished ball sack.

而且還容易扯著蛋呢。

[–]CavalierssBarro77 21 指標 11小時前

The rules have gotten a little lax on that over time. I guarantee if you did a current euro-step in 2003 it gets called a travel.

關於腳步的規則隨著時間推移比以前鬆了點，我敢說，如果你穿越回2003年做一個現在這種歐洲步，吹你走步是妥妥的。

[–]otis_reading 42 指標 10小時前

Manu got called for some travels early on because the refs were confused. Spurs had to educate the league that 2 steps is still 2 steps even if their taken in the opposite direction.

馬努早期也因為裁判自己搞不清楚而被吹了多次走步。馬刺也正因如此給聯盟上了一課，走了兩步就是走了兩步，即使兩步的方向相反那也是兩步啊。

[–]nakedsamurai 509 指標 23小時前

I remember that play exactly. Ginobili didn"t invent the Eurostep, but especially with this play, I was like, "What the fuck was that?"

EDIT: referees often blew their whistles on these. They weren"t getting it yet.

這球我記得清清楚楚的。歐洲步不是馬努發明的，但是看到這球的時候我尤其懵逼，就想「這特么也可以？」

編輯：裁判們經常對（馬努的腳步）響哨。他們那會兒還沒弄清馬努的門道。

[–]Clippersf5kkrs 227 指標 21小時前

The South Ameri-step

「南美」步。

[–]PistonsGod_Damnit_Shit 40 指標 21小時前

你這個評論不錯，我喜歡，以後是我的了。

[–][POR] Wesley MatthewsBBIQ-Chicken 114 指標 20小時前

I didn"t even think this was a euro-step. It"s really awkward and impressive how he steps across his body.

我從沒覺得他這是歐洲步。他擰著身子上籃看著是讓人覺得很彆扭但是真的令人印象深刻。

[–][CHA] Kemba Walkerspookyghostface 134 指標 20小時前

This is like the exact inverse of a euro-step.

感覺他這個就是把歐洲步完全反過來做了。

[–][SAS] Tim Duncanwilsonsmilk 22 指標 15小時前

Blew their whistles on these....why? It』s def 2 steps if you』re insinuating a travelling call?

馬刺球迷：對馬努響哨……為什麼？如果你的意思是裁判吹走步，可他百分百就走了兩步啊！

[–][UTA] Dell CurryDeathBySuplex 52 指標 15小時前

Nobody did those weird angles while driving so your mind automatically thinks there』s a travel.

It』s common now but at the time it looked like he was gaming the system.

Similar to Hardens timing on his step back.

因為那時候沒有人像馬努一樣突破時走的角度如此詭異，所以裁判自然而然的就覺得這是個走步。

現在是很常見了，但是當時那會兒大家的感覺是吉諾比利鑽了規則的漏洞。

就跟現在哈登後撤步的時機一樣。

[–]MambaDropped81 75 指標 15小時前

Harden clearly travels on his 100 steps back

哈登那個往後撤一百步的後撤步絕壁是走步。

[–]Kings-Hoopin- 33 指標 13小時前

Sometimes but we can』t ignore his deadly step back, it』s usually legal

有的時候是走步了，但是我們也不能忽視他的致命後撤步跳投啊，一般來說都是沒毛病的。

[–]Pistonsrake2204 26 指標 12小時前

I know two people have already responded but I"ll add a third for the sake of consensus. At that time, there were generally accepted rhythms to about 95 percent of takeoffs in basketball. Most of them were direct-to-the-basket rhythms with an occasional light side-step (which was still mostly forward moving). Ginobili helped establish a handful of new two-step rhythms, and it took a little bit for officials to pick up on it.

活塞球迷：我知道已經倆人回復了，我再來第三條回復讓大家達成共識。在當時，大約百分之95的突破上籃時的邁步節奏是被人們接受的。大多數都是大步直接衝擊籃筐的步伐，偶爾會夾雜輕微向側方邁出的一步（但仍然主要是向前移動）。吉諾比利幫忙開創了一種新的兩步節奏，這也讓裁判花了點時間來適應。

The NBA did a pretty good job of melding those moves into their game. It took quite a bit longer for a lot of those moves to become fully accepted at lower levels.

NBA在將這些動作融入進比賽這方面做得很不錯。（相比之下）這些動作被低級別聯賽完全接受花的時間反倒是有點長。

Coincidentally, I was just talking to a high school official about that era yesterday and he was pretty straight up about it. When you"ve been reffing for years and have established what everything"s supposed to look like, there"s probably going to be some growing pains when a player finds a new, odd looking way of doing things. It tends to look illegal at first, even if it"s not. The official I know said he still botches at least one of those calls a year.

巧合的是，我昨天剛好和一個高中裁判談論起了那個年代，他是很直截了當地指了出來。當你吹了很多年比賽、基本已經確定了每個動作本該是什麼樣子的時候，如果有球員突然另闢蹊徑找到了新的操作，那裁判可能是需要經歷一個成長的陣痛期的。即便動作本身是規則之內的，一開始乍一看也感覺是違規了。我認識的這個裁判說他針對這些動作每年都至少吹砸一次。

[–]Bladex10 121 指標 22小時前

I encourage every young fan to go watch a mixtape from this dude from like 2003-2007. Bah gawd this dude was so nasty in his peak

我倡議所有的年輕球迷都去看看這個傢伙03-07年期間的集錦。他巔峰的時候是真滴牛鼻啊。

[–]MorningMedication 71 指標 14小時前

Kinda funny talking about his peak in 2007, and now more than 10 years later he is still playing valuable minutes

想想也挺有意思，都說他2007年是巔峰時期，沒想到十幾年之後的今天吉諾比利還是妖刀未老。

[–]CavalierssBarro77 22 指標 11小時前

He was still near his peak in like 2015 or so even. He had a long peak.

2015年左右他還保持著接近巔峰的狀態呢。他巔峰超長。

[–]Lakers_CodyB 80 指標 18小時前

The NBA was such a wasteland in 2003.

The league still hurt from expansion, hand checking was slowing the game down considerably and you basically had a MJ Bulls hangover where teams were more focused on keeping opposing teams below 80 points then they were scoring at a high efficiency.

湖人球迷：2003年的NBA可真是一片荒原。

聯盟仍受到擴張的影響，handcheck的規則讓比賽的節奏變慢，聯盟仍然經受著後喬丹時期後遺症之苦，球隊們都致力於把對手得分壓在80以下，而不是想著自己打出高效的得分。

Steve Nash, Chris Paul, no more hand checking and the decline of Shaq all contributed heavily to how the game is today but Manu Ginobili belongs in that category as well. He didn"t give a single fuck about the NBA conventions at the time and he absolutely abused 2nd units and even starting guys that were simply not very good.

納什保羅的橫空出世、handcheck的取消以及奧尼爾的衰退都一定程度上導致了如今比賽風格的出現。但馬努也是改變聯盟走向的因素之一。他根本沒把聯盟的慣例當回事，他完全虐爛了各支球隊的第二陣容，甚至有些不是那麼出色的首發球員在他面前也是挨虐的命。

[–]WheresMySaucePlease 127 指標 23小時前

I"m a huge manu fan but it wasn"t unprecedented

我是馬努鐵粉，但是有一說一，主樓這個也並不是史無前例的一球。

[–][LAL] Jose Calderonvictor396 87 指標 22小時前

Yeah, but it"s true that his moves were "outlandish" at the time. He credited it to playing a lot of soccer when he wass growing up.

湖人球迷：沒錯，但他的動作在那會算是非常荒唐的。他將其歸功於小時候踢球的經歷。

Kobe used to say that he wished that he had practiced more soccer when he was younger and that watching Manu confirmed this because then he"d have some moves integrated that other players wouldn"t expect.

科比曾經說過，他真希望自己在年輕的時候能多踢踢球，並且，在科比看見馬努的表現後，他更加確信了踢球是對打籃球有幫助的，因為那時馬努會做出一些其他球員預料不到的動作。

[–]FinalFrash 54 指標 19小時前

The Dream Shake was also born out of soccer.

On the other hand, I want to see someone integrate the Bicycle Kick in basketball

大夢舞步也是取自於足球。

話又說回來了，我是挺想看見有人能把倒掛金鉤融入到籃球運動里來。

[–]76ersHandsomeBadger 75 指標 19小時前

thon already got it

雄鹿的梅克已經學成了。

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