球員心理健康問題討論升溫：老闆們想要獲得球員們這方面的病歷

運動 08-25

德馬爾-德羅贊回應公眾對於著名運動員的認知：「人們都說『你有什麼好抑鬱呢？你可以買到任何你想要的東西。』那我就真希望這世界上每個人都很富有，這樣他們就能意識到金錢並不是全部。」

[Bleacher Report] DeMar DeRozan on the public perception of famous athletes: 「People say 『What are you depressed about? You can buy anything you want.』 I wish everyone in the world was rich so they would realize money isn』t everything.」

[–][BKN] Vince CarterBoogiesAchilles 2667 指標 6小時前

Having money』s not everything

有錢並不是一切。

[–]richmuhlach 441 指標 6小時前

Yes. Give me money because I need the opportunity to realize that money isn』t everything.

是啊，那就趕緊給我打錢吧，因為我需要明白這個道理的機會啊！

[–]WarriorsIonkkll 983 指標 5小時前

Money doesn"t buy happiness, it buys the opportunity to pursue happiness.

錢買不來快樂，但是它能買來追逐快樂的機會。

[–]76ersanser1233 513 指標 6小時前

Money does make a difference in happiness but only up to a certain amount

錢確實可以在製造幸福感上起到作用，但是也只有一定的程度。

[–]Raptors99Raps 152 指標 6小時前

IIRC, a professor in university told me it was $75k.

要是我沒記錯的話，一個大學教授告訴過我，你說的這個程度最大是75000美金。

[–]HeatErectusPenor 160 指標 6小時前*

Basically it"s whatever amount of income that allows you to live a life free of monetary stress. Living in debt, or at least pay check to pay check, that"s what affects your happiness.

基本上這個「標尺」就是能讓你的生活免於經濟壓力的收入。影響幸福感的是你身背債務或者總是要等著發工資勉強維持生活這樣子。

[–]RaptorsKawhiGotUsNow 253 指標 6小時前

yea quotes like this are annoying to people living paycheck to paycheck

or even people making 50-60k. Give us 100k more and ask if we aren"t more happy. Give us a million and ask us we aren"t more happy.

猛龍球迷：是的，就主樓這種話真的能讓靠工資勉強度日的人氣不打一處來。

甚至也包括那些一年掙個5-6萬的人。先給我們個10萬再問我們會不會更開心叭，一百萬也行哦。

I get that they go through normal people shit too health wise, which was his point, but saying stuff like this is still annoying

我懂，德羅贊是說，他們也都是會遭遇健康問題的正常人，但是說這樣的話還是讓人不爽。

[–][DAL] Brian Cardinaldirk-41 441 指標 5小時前

Demar grew up in Compton surrounded by hardship. He had family members killed because of gang violence. You think he doesn"t understand what it means to struggle to get by? He has seen the whole spectrum and still feels this way.

德羅贊成長在康普頓，被各種艱辛痛苦圍繞。他有家人因幫派暴力而被殺害。你覺得他會不明白掙扎著討生活是什麼意思嗎？他什麼大風大浪沒見過，但仍然覺得錢不是全部。

[–]HornetsGurchimo 186 指標 5小時前

fr people act like we"re talking about Donald here

真格的，大家表現得好像咱在這討論特朗普一樣。

[–]Netsjorday100 103 指標 4小時前

tbh donald only got a small loan of a million dollars so i can understand his struggle too

實話實說，特朗普只獲得過100萬美金的小額貸款，所以我也很理解他的不容易呢。??

[–]WarriorsGGAllinsMicroPenis 490 指標 5小時前

I think something that gets left out is that fame makes it worse, because you become isolated and run in increasingly insular social circles. It becomes alienating, and you can become lonely. And it"s a very surreal kind of loneliness, because everyone"s yelling your name, supporting you, loving you, but from a distance, like you"re looking at the world through a mobile plexiglass cell.

我認為各位網友在這裡忽視的一點是，名譽會讓心理問題變得更糟，因為這種與世隔絕的狀態會讓你愈發處在一個孤立的社交圈裡。你與大眾逐漸疏遠起來，可能會有孤獨之感。這是一種非常超現實的寂寞之情，因為每個人都在大吼你的名字，支持你，愛你，但都離你很遠，就像你從一個可移動的玻璃房間里看世界一樣，可觸不可及。

And that kind of loneliness can, in some ways, be the worst of all. It"s like dying of thirst adrift on the ocean, staring at water 24 hours a day without a drop to drink.

If you"re rich and nobody knows who the fuck you are there"s some freedom there that NBA players and other celebs don"t get to enjoy, and thus I think that kind of rich has more happy people among its ranks.

而從某些角度來講，這種孤獨感可能是最糟糕的。這就像漂浮在海上因口渴而慢慢死去，你每分每秒能看到水，卻一點兒也不能喝。

如果你很富有的同時大家都不知道你jb是誰，那你就能有點自由了，這些一些NBA球員和其他明星沒機會享受的自由，所以我覺得那種有錢人會更容易快樂。

[–]Raptorsjaimonee 131 指標 4小時前

Nicely put. I remember reading a quote from Bill Murray "I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: "try being rich first". See if that doesn"t cover most of it. There"s not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job."

說得好。比爾-默瑞就有一段很有道理的話：「我一直想對那些希望變得富有和有名氣的人說：『先努力變富有吧』。然後再看看富有會不會把一切都包圓了。除了要繳一大堆稅並且有親戚等著跟你借錢，富有沒啥別的糟糕之處。但你要是出名了，你最終得到的只是一份24小時無間斷的工作。」

[–][BKN] Vince CarterBoogiesAchilles 6223 指標 1 天前 Having money』s not everything, not having it is錢不是問題，沒錢才是問題。

[–]RaptorsIanicRR 165 指標 4小時前

That bar will forever resonate with me because I』m broke as shit and it』s true. Not that I』m unhappy but it sure makes life a lot more stressful/difficult.

這話可以永遠讓我產生共鳴，因為我特么窮的一批，而且這話太對了。我倒也不是不開心啊，但是沒錢確實讓生活變得更加緊張/困難。

It kills me that as a high schooler is was sitting comfortably on a 15k account from working 4 years of high school and being very smart with my money. Only to be stupid and pay my entire first year of university without a salary, emptying my accounts, still needing a student loan for the other 3 years and being perpetually broke since. Damnit I should have just kept my money and gotten a stupid loan all 4 years. At least then I would have had a safety net in my account.

高中時候，我努力工作了4年，存了一萬五，心裡美滋滋的，理財可以說非常明智了。結果大學第一年我用這些錢把學費全交了，完全清空了自己的存款餘額……而且後面的3年還一樣需要借學貸，自那以後我就一直處於窮b的狀態。我是真特么該留住那一萬五，然後直接借四年的學生貸款的，至少這樣我的賬戶里還會有點應急的錢。

Sorry, rant over.

發泄完了，不好意思。

[–]Knicksconfuddly 1371 指標 6小時前

I too wish everyone was rich

我也希望每個人都富有。

[–][TOR] Jose Calderondeadskin 697 指標 6小時前

If everyone is rich, then no one is

如果每個人都富有，那就等於沒人富有。

[–]Celticsdfghjdfrtjhef 608 指標 6小時前

If I have a yacht, I don"t give a fuck if everyone else also a has yacht

要是我能有一艘遊艇，那別人有沒有遊艇關我屁事。

[–]BullsHarmonicon 325 指標 6小時前

until the ocean is choke full of everyone"s yachts it just becomes a giant dock?

可是如果大海被每個人的遊艇擠得滿滿當當的，變成一個巨型碼頭，那你還這麼想嘛？

[–]Celticsdfghjdfrtjhef 392 指標 6小時前

Who cares, I have a yacht

關我屁事，反正我有一艘遊艇。

[–][CHA] Malik MonkBizGilwalker 329 指標 6小時前

This comment section went about as well as I expected it to

評論區果然和我想的一樣。

[–]klawhileonard 180 指標 4小時前

ITT: I』m poor and want to be rich. DeMar is spoiled. Give me money

這個帖子里的評論總結一下：我很窮，想有錢。德羅贊就是矯情。打錢打錢！

[–][PHI] Markelle FultzDutchEnglish[??] 226 指標 6小時前*

The sad reality about this thread is the fact that no one understands how depression or any type of mental health problem works just based off the comments.

這個帖子比較可悲的一點是，根據評論來看，沒人理解抑鬱症或者其他任何類型的心理疾病到底是怎麼回事。

If you have a mental health problem while people view and treat you like a cash cow while stating 「hOw CaN yOu bE sAd? YoU』rE rIcH!」 as if someone who is mentally unwell is supposed to be like 「Oh yeah!」. As if they aren』t trying to force themselves to love their lives already.

要是你有心理問題，而別人卻只是把你當做搖錢樹並認為「哎呀你怎麼可能難過的嘛？你這麼有錢啊！」那難道你應該說「是啊是啊」？有心理問題的人已經在拼盡全力讓自己稍微有那麼一點點熱愛生活了。

I mean it』s fucking disgusting and shows how little mental illness is cared about. Yeah have chemical imbalances in your brain but hey money cures it all! As if the idea of killing yourself goes away when someone tells you that you should be happy and that you should be grateful for a life that they never lived and that they don』t understand.

評論區里這樣說是真的令人噁心，這也體現了大眾對心理疾病真的不怎麼關注。大腦化學物質不平衡是特么金錢就能治癒的？難道只要有人告訴你，你應該感覺快樂並感激生活，因為這個生活他們沒機會享受也沒機會理解，你自殺的念頭就突然之間灰飛煙滅了？

DeMar probably has people trying to use him in every way and it』s probably been that way since he was 14. People all day talk shit to him and focus on negative shit more than positive but its cool because he』s rich. I swear to God it amazes me how much people bullshit themselves into believing that when you』re rich problems go away.

德羅贊的身邊可能充滿了想利用他的人，或許是從他14歲就一直這樣了。人們整天對著德羅贊噴糞，更多地關注消極而非積極的部分，因為德羅贊有錢所以這一切就沒問題了？這麼多人自欺欺人地以為有錢就代表生活中的問題都會消失，真的驚到我了。

NBA Owners Reportedly Want Access to Players" Mental Health Records

據報道，一些NBA老闆想要有許可權獲得球員的心理健康病歷。

[–][DAL] Dennis Rodmanwonderboy0 1109 指標 9小時前

I understand the logic but this seems like a massive misuse of power

我可以理解其中的邏輯，但是這似乎是權力的巨大濫用啊。

[–]Spursonamonapizza 492 指標 7小時前

It"s a double-edged sword. Franchises are giving these guys tens (and in some cases, hundreds) of millions of dollars, so on one hand, they are just trying to protect their investment.

雙刃劍。球隊要付給球員們幾千萬（有時是上億）美元，所以從一方面講，他們只是在努力確保自己的投資能有預期的回報。

On the other hand, the conversation about mental health in the NBA is finally getting some air underneath it, and something like this could completely derail the movement. Players aren"t going to be honest and open if they feel like it will put their job on the line.

而換個角度看，最近NBA關於心理健康的討論終於有點溫度了，但是如果該報道為真，這樣的舉動會完全毀了NBA的心理健康革命。要是球員們覺得坦誠相待會危及工作，那他們就會憋著不說了。

[–]BubbaTee 389 指標 6小時前

If teams want to conduct their own psych interviews and screenings with free agents or potential draft picks, that"s fine. But looking at a player"s private mental health records without consent is unacceptable.

如果球隊想要與自由球員或潛在新秀進行自己的心理訪談和分析，那沒問題。但是在未經同意的情況下查看球員的私人心理健康病歷是不可接受的。

Also, these players are committing to multi-year contracts - by that same logic, why shouldn"t they get the mental health records of the team"s owner and GM? I"m sure there would"ve been things in Donald Sterling"s history that players might"ve found interesting.

此外，這些球員承諾簽訂多年合同——那按照同樣的邏輯，他們為什麼不能獲得球隊老闆和經理的心理健康病歷呢？我確信唐納德-斯特林（前快船老闆）的病歷中肯定會有讓球員們覺得有丶意思的東西哦。

[–][GSW] Zarko CabarkapaIAmNotKevinDurant_35 106 指標 8小時前

NBA Players Association: "HA NOOO"

NBA球員工會：「哈哈哈哈沒門！」

[–][OKC] Terrance Fergusoncaptainsausagetits 595 指標 9小時前

If true, players won"t want to seek help from organisations for mental health issues, fear of being traded etc. Pretty fucked

要是這個報道是真的，那球員們就不會想從俱樂部那裡獲得關於心理健康問題的幫助了，因為他們會擔心自己被交易等等。挺操蛋的。

[–]Lakersshayaaa 183 指標 6小時前

Similar to airline pilots... Pilots can"t be diagnosed with any mental health issues or they can"t work, so in turn they avoid seeking the help they need and then you get some real unfortunate disasters.

類似於飛行員……如果飛行員被診斷出任何心理健康問題，他們就無法繼續飛了，所以反過來，飛行員們會避免尋求他們所需的幫助以保住自己的工作，然後災難就會隨之而生了。

[–]NBAmypepperplantsdie 179 指標 8小時前

If this is truly about making sure players are healthy and getting the support they need, there is no need to have their records. There are other ways to make sure guys are getting the professional/medical support they may need.

Maybe it』s the pessimist in me but I feel it would only lead to some kind of negative bias against players.

如果老闆們確實是為了確保球員健康並讓他們獲得所需的支持，那他們其實不必擁有球員的心理健康病歷，還有其他方法可以確保球員們獲得可能需要的專業/醫療支持。

也許這是我的悲觀看法，但我覺得查看球員的心理健康病歷只會產生對球員的某種負面偏見。

I know the sporting world is different but in most cases an employer needing or having access to mental history records is just plain absurd.

我知道體育界有點不一樣，但是在大多數情況下，僱主需要或者可以獲得僱員的心理健康病歷都是完全不可理喻的。

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