美國球迷熱議NBA目前最喪失什麼|傳統內線得分後衛一樣缺失？

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美國球迷熱議NBA目前最喪失什麼|傳統內線得分後衛一樣缺失？

What is the NBA currently in the "Dark Age" of?

現在對於NBA的哪些東西來說處在喪失年代？

I know we"re in the Golden Age of shooting, with so many players being able to stretch the floor and knock down long-range shots. But what is bad about the NBA right now, that has never been worse before? What are we in the Dark Age of?

我知道現在是投射的黃金盛世，有這麼多可以拉開空間命中長距離投籃，但NBA現在有哪些不好的地方呢？有哪些東西正處在糟的不能再糟的階段？我們處在哪些事情的暗黑年代？

[–]ClippersGangstasAndStrippers 708 指標 3 天前

Post moves

低位背打

[–][POR] C.J. McCollumTheGourmet9 235 指標 3 天前

Steve Kerr talked about how the post game was missing and how the NBA was going too small on Open Court the year before he took the Warriors job haha. He"s proving his point

哈哈，史蒂夫科爾在他還沒當勇士教練的時候曾經在節目上談到過現今NBA低位進攻的缺失，以及NBA小球的發展趨勢。他現在就在證實自己的觀點。

[–]NBABlu_Jays 74 指標 3 天前

I also recall him saying teams were taking too many threes during that episode too.

我還記得那期節目他還說現在很多球隊三分投的太多了。

[–][POR] C.J. McCollumTheGourmet9 127 指標 3 天前

Thing is, one of the best things about having dominant post player right now is how many open threes it would generate.

事實上，現在在低位有一個統治級球員所帶來的好處是能夠產生更多空位三分球的機會。

[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonKingShindo 17 指標 3 天前

But at the same time, having a big man who can do big man things (rebound, block shots, set good screens) and also take outside Js is invaluable. Unless you"re a god it"s just hard to be both a great jumpshooting big and post-scoring big as well. And with the way guards can score now with how easily refs blow the whistle, I"m not sure if post play would be all that effective.

但同時，一個能夠做到傳統內線的工作（籃板，蓋帽，擋拆）同時還能命中跳投的大個子球員簡直價值無可估量。除非你是個神，否則不可能又會跳投又會低位得分。現在裁判的哨子越來越緊也導致後衛越來越容易取分，我不確定低位進攻還會不會效果那麼明顯。

[–]76ersZeus_Wayne 86 指標 3 天前

If only there was some process for big men to learn how to dominate inside and develop a soft touch from outside.

76人蜜：除非現在有個什麼「過程」可以教會大個子如何在統治內線的同時保持外線的良好手感。

[–]76ersSecondstrike23 43 指標 3 天前

Maybe someone could come up with the process.

另一個76人蜜：也許有的人就能弄出來這個「過程」呢。

[–]Ghenges 20 指標 3 天前

Post moves are on their way back. There is a good crop of big men doing well in the league right now - and not just big athletic guys but dudes who can work in the paint.

低位進攻馬上就要回來了。現在有很大一批球員在聯盟里混的很好，不是那些運動能力爆炸的球員，而是那些能夠在禁區里施展自己功夫的球員。

[–]PelicansBigEarl139 57 指標 3 天前

I don"t think this is right at all. There are plenty of post moves in the NBA currently. What is missing is post PLAYS.

Guys like AD, Boogie, KAT, Embiid, and Okafor all have GREAT post moves. But nobody in the NBA runs those types of plays anymore. They see it as better to run guys of of screens and get quick shots rather than grind out every bucket.

I think AD has taken like 15 post shots all season last time I checked, but he"s made like 12 of them. It"s not like these players aren"t skilled in this area anymore, it just isn"t utilized for us to see it very often.

我一點都不覺得這個說法正確，現在的NBA有很多低位的單打啊，現在缺少的應該是低位的戰術。

像安東尼戴維斯，考辛斯，唐斯，恩比德和奧卡福，他們都有很棒的低位進攻技巧。但是現在的NBA沒有人會圍繞這些低位進攻去跑戰術。大多數人都覺得通過擋拆得到快速投籃的機會比每次進攻都磨到籃下要好很多。

上次我查的時候，安東尼戴維斯一共出手了15次低位的出手，他好像命中了其中的12個。所以不是說現在的球員不具備這樣的技術，只是說現在他們使用這些技術沒那麼頻繁了。

[–][MEM] Marc Gasoljjacks60 59 指標 3 天前

Don"t mention Marc Gasol or Zbo

別忘了我家黑白二熊。

[–]Grizzliesbulimicblueberry 68 指標 3 天前

To be fair ZBo has like 1 post move, which is bull in, miss a shot, miss a tip, and finally get it

講道理，蘭多夫在低位就會那麼一招，靠力量強吃進去，投丟，再補，再丟，再補，然後打中。

[–]youngtrece13 118 指標 3 天前

Dark age of hook shots

這還是勾手的暗黑年代。

[–]Bullsptam 29 指標 3 天前

Everytime I see a big man not able to get in close and he settles for a hook shot, I just smh. He and I both know that ain"t going in.

每次看見一個大個子因為無法靠近籃筐被迫用出勾手的時候，我就直搖頭，我跟他都心知肚明這球肯定是進不去了。

[–][OKC] Steven AdamsrSlashPeer 21 指標 3 天前

Unless it"s Adams, he"s been knocking down some hooks lately.

亞當斯除外啊，他最近勾手還挺準的。

[–]Noam_Stompsky 362 指標 3 天前

White North American PG"s. Like, who is the best one? TJ McConnell?

現在北美白人控球後衛也很少。讓我想想最強的是誰？TJ麥康奈爾？

[–][PHI] Robert CovingtonJohnJohnsonJohansen 213 指標 3 天前

I love TJ but he"s playing out of position. His best role is on the bench waving a towel

76人蜜：我很喜歡TJ，但他打得位置不合適。他最合適的位置應該在板凳上，揮毛巾。

[–][BOS] Jae CrowderThinkFishTank 125 指標 3 天前

I think white North Americans in general. You"ve got Hayward, Love, JJ, who else of note?

我覺得就算是北美白人，也只有海沃德，樂福，JJ雷迪克值得注意吧，還有誰我漏掉了么？

[–]Warriorsvarroth 71 指標 3 天前

Half of Blake Griffin and half of Klay Thompson?

半白半黑的格里芬和半白半黑的克萊湯普森？

[–]Hoyata21 21 指標 3 天前

Zack Lavine, Aaron Gordon are also half black

拉文和阿隆戈登也是半黑半白。

[–]Thunderrangersrule1997 82 指標 3 天前

Chandler Parsons got 100 million. 60 year old arthritic knees though.

帕森斯拿了一億美金的合同，但卻有一副60歲還得了關節炎的膝蓋。

[–][POR] C.J. McCollumTheGourmet9 48 指標 3 天前

Parsons, Dekker looks good, Plumlee is pretty average but he starts for us. Not a lot making any impact. Probably in large part because youth basketball in America puts very little focus on developing skills and much more into finding athleticism for AAU tournaments. It"s painfully obvious if you watch college basketball nowadays. Most of the super skilled white guys come from international play now.

帕森斯，德克爾還不錯，普拉姆利太平庸了，雖然他是我拓的首發。沒有哪個白人球員真正對這個聯盟有影響力。可能現在美國的青少年籃球只有很少一部分的重心被放在發展球員技能上，更多的還是沖著AAU錦標賽尋找身體天賦爆炸的球員去的。現在看大學籃球這點還挺明顯的，讓我感覺心痛。大多數技巧厲害的白人球員都是國際球員。

[–]Bullswylin247 145 指標 3 天前

Cornrows, DJ and Kawahi bringing it back but stil not enough.

現在聯盟里壟溝頭也越來越少了。小喬丹和倫納德還在留壟溝頭辮，但很明顯對於整個聯盟來說這還不夠。

[–]Lakerswangandassociates 137 指標 3 天前

You forgot my boy JLin

你漏了我家林書豪。

[–]Raptorsthatmandem 23 指標 3 天前

Nitpicking but DJ just braided his dreads, lots of players do it occasionally

你說的還是有點瑕疵，小喬丹就是把他的雷鬼頭扎了一下，很多球員都會時不時這樣做。

[–][CHI] Taj GibsonThonMaker_KDplusKG 99 指標 3 天前

dominant centers

還缺少統治級的中鋒。

[–]Kingsyabhareyi 29 指標 3 天前

That"s gonna change in the next few years

這情況過不了幾年就要變了。

[–]BulletsWallStar206 40 指標 3 天前

Trash talking

垃圾話也越來越少了。

[–][BOS] Paul PierceContraPositive 28 指標 3 天前

Whoa! The NBA is a league with pride, a league with three kids and a family, things of that nature, some things just go overboard.

垃圾話有什麼好！聯盟是以一個事關榮耀的聯盟，一個很多球員都有三個孩子還有家庭的聯盟，垃圾話這種性質的東西，有時候很容易過火。

[–]eclecticfeel 66 指標 3 天前

Bank shots, it hasn"t been the same since Timmy stopped shooting them

打板也越來越少了。當鄧肯不再打板的時候，一切都不一樣了。

[–]RaptorsOrimori24 5 指標 3 天前

DRose had one during his comeback last year because of vision problems. But I haven"t seen it since.

羅斯去年復出之後因為視力問題好像投進了一個，但從那之後我再也沒見過了。

[–]Mavericksdomdomburg 28 指標 3 天前

Officiating... partly because players are getting faster and trickier.

我來說句公道話，很大程度是因為球員原來越快越來越狡猾了。

[–]BullsILikeOtters7 30 指標 3 天前*

I"d say SG"s. It seems like all the good ones have become either a PG or a SF.

我覺得得分後衛也越來越少了，現在好像是個好球員就是控衛或者小前鋒。

[–]Raptorer 10 指標 3 天前

PFs even worse...

大前鋒就更少了。

[–]Supersonicserldn123 61 指標 3 天前

Flopping.

沾衣十八跌。

[–]LakersTheImmenseFence 85 指標 3 天前

We"re in the golden age of flopping actually, it"s happening more than ever, yay!

我們現在可是處在假摔的黃金年代，假摔一直有，最近特別多，( ω )y。

[–]Mavericksdeknegt1990 19 指標 3 天前

Yeah, the biggest issue is that players are learning how to "flop" more organically. Especially on the drive to the basket they know exactly how to react either with minimal, or no contact at all.

Harden has the skill mastered into an artform, really.

對啊，最大的問題是現在球員都在學習怎樣才能假摔的更真。尤其是在別人突破的時候他們都知道該怎樣摔就算是體毛接觸或者是根本沒接觸。

[–][NYK] John StarksI_CUM_ON_HAMSTERS 7 指標 3 天前

And then there"s Marcus Smart

然後，出現了斯瑪特式假摔。

[–]TimberwolvesTheHitmanHearns 15 指標 3 天前

Marcus Smart always looks like he got hit by a semi.

斯瑪特每次假摔看起來都跟被個拖車撞了一樣。

[–]Knicksthreekingmodest101 11 指標 3 天前

Fuck Marcus Smart.

去TM的斯瑪特。

[–]HeatDunkcity239 131 指標 3 天前

Balance. All the talent is going to the top 1%. 3 years in a row where only 2 teams have a chance at winning. 7 years in a row of LeBron owning the East

各個球隊之間的平衡啊。所有天賦都集中在那最頂尖的1%。連續三年只有兩支球隊有機會爭奪冠軍，詹姆斯也已經連續七年統治東部了。

[–]RaptorsBF210 189 指標 3 天前

Hasn"t the league always been like this though? In the 60"s it was the Celtics, 80"s the Lakers and Celtics, 90"s had the Bulls and Rockets, 00"s had Lakers and Spurs. The 70"s was really the only decade where the league wasn"t completely top heavy.

I think that"s just the way the NBA is.

可聯盟不一直都是這樣么？60年代的凱爾特人，80年代的湖人，90年代的公牛和火箭，00年代的湖人和馬刺，70年代大概是唯一的一個，聯盟沒有出現絕對頂級球隊的十年。

我一直認為這就是NBA的本色啊。

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