凱爾特人是否高估自己的交易資產？該贏在當下還是繼續選秀建隊？

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凱爾特人是否高估自己的交易資產？該贏在當下還是繼續選秀建隊？

Do you believe the Celtics overrate their assets? (self.nba)

你們覺得凱爾特人高估了他們的資產了嗎？

It"s crazy to me that every time a trade with Boston is mentioned they act like all their players are potential Hall of Famers. Not only that, they had a chance to get one of the best two-way players in the league today and chose not to do it in order to save draft flexibility. Look at the draft from this past summer: there"s almost no one that I would say is close to being a star. The top three is always good for some misses so it"s wild that they would rather chase some uncertain future instead of a chance of being great now.

Example trade:

Let"s say they got rid of Jaylen, Jae, and Smart along with the pick. Jaylen was a reach as the 3rd pick and is occasionally showing flashes this season but when push comes to shove, he"s giving you 6 points and 2 rebounds a game. So you"re only out 2 real rotation players.

They"d have IT, Bradley, George, Horford, and Amir as starters with Rozier, Olynyk, Green and the Nets pick next year along with multiple other first rounders to build their bench up with. That"s a great team and I can"t believe they didn"t go for it.

每一次凱爾特人的交易被提到的時候，他們表現的就像是他凱的球員都是潛在的名人堂成員一樣，我覺得這也太瘋狂了。不僅如此，而且他們之前有機會得到現今聯盟最棒的攻守兼備球員之一，但他們為了保持選秀的靈活性而選擇不交易。看看去年夏天的新秀：幾乎沒有一個我覺得有機會成為球星的。前三順位總是容易看走眼，他凱寧願追求不確定的未來，而不是追求現在就變得優秀的機會。

交易樣例：比方說他們要送走杰倫布朗，克勞德，斯馬特以及選秀權。杰倫作為探花這個賽季偶爾也有打出精彩的表現，但讓他強行上位的時候，他場均只交出了6分2板的數據，所以這交易你也就是送出兩個真正的輪換球員。

他凱本可以有小托馬斯，布拉德利，喬治，霍福德以及阿米爾約翰遜作為首發，還有羅奇爾，奧利尼克，傑拉德格林，再加上籃網明年的選秀權以及另外幾個首輪新秀來組成他們的板凳陣容。這是一支優秀球隊的構造，我不敢相信他們沒有為此交易。

[–]TeamCB3 68 指標 3小時前

Generally speaking yes, but if the Pacers really wanted three out of the Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Brown group and the Nets pick I agree with Boston. Even if you don"t think those guys are superstars you need a good roster to compete. Giving up THAT many assets to get George would probably be detrimental overall for what it would do to their depth.

總體來說是沒錯，但如果步行者真的想要斯馬特/布拉德利/克勞德/杰倫布朗中的3個外加籃網的選秀權，那我就贊同凱爾特人選擇不交易。即使你覺得他們不是超級球星，你也需要有好的陣容去競爭。為了得到喬治放棄了那麼多的資產可能總體來說會損害他們的陣容深度。

[–]CelticsE10DIN 32 指標 2小時前

Yep. We give up 3 of our 5 best players for PG? That makes us worse.

沒錯，我凱放棄5個最好球員里的3個來換泡椒？這會讓我凱實力更差。

[–]CelticsBarkevious_MemeO 6 指標 2小時前

Definitely makes us worse in the short term. No way we could expect to compete with Cleveland/Toronto/Washington with a roster overhaul like that

在短期內肯定會讓我凱變得更弱，在陣容經過這樣的大修的情況下，期待我凱能和騎士/猛龍/奇才競爭是不可能的。

[–][BOS] Kevin Garnettceltics090 33 指標 2小時前

So 3 of Jae/Bradley/Jaylen/Smart and at least the one Brooklyn pick for what might be a rental is a good trade?

所以為了一個可能是短期租用的球員拿斯馬特/布拉德利/克勞德/杰倫布朗中的3個外加至少一個籃網的選秀權來換，這是一個不錯的交易？

[–]CelticsPepeSylvia11 6 指標 2小時前

Nope. It"s just every other team undervalues their assets, hence why Ainge conserving his seems worse.

We"re a good team now, we"ll be a good team in 5 years, 10 years, etc, all because Ainge is conservative with those assets.

沒有高估，只是其他每個球隊都低估了他們的資產而已，所以這讓安吉保留資產的決定看起來很糟糕。

我凱現在是支不錯的球隊，我們會在5年，10年里都會是不錯的球隊，這一切都因為安吉總是對手裡的資產很保守。

[–]CelticsTroyAtWork 3 指標 2小時前

EVERY fan overrates their team"s assets.

We have a lot of assets right now and a large number of Celtics fans. That combined with the trade deadline means you are going to see dumbass Celtics trades everywhere.

I don"t really care about how anyone underrates/overrates our assets except for Danny Ainge.

每個球迷都會高估他們自己主隊的資產。

我凱現在有很多資產，而且還有一大堆凱蜜，加上交易截止日意味著你會看到到處都是有關凱爾特人交易的愚蠢討論。

除了安吉，我真的不關心任何人如何低估/高估我凱的資產。

[–]Knicksitwentboom 6 指標 2小時前

First of all, almost all of the Celtics players are riding on the Stevens effect. Evan Turner is the only real opportunity we"ve had to validate that theory - I would be shocked if many coaches could maximize their players" abilities the way Stevens is able to. So don"t expect Celtic"s Crowder if you trade for him or Celtic"s Bradley or Celtic"s Smart.

2nd of all, the Celtics aren"t particularly good at drafting so they should also be more willing to budge on those picks.

3rd, Paul George vaults the Celtics into real title contention as opposed to the regular season pretend contender they are. If the Celtics regularly make conference finals, do you actually believe this bullshit story that PG is going to bounce to the Lakers, which was probably mainly a leak by Ainge to lower his trade value anyway?

首先，幾乎所有的凱爾特人球員都是受益於史蒂文斯教練的體系。埃文特納是唯一的真正能讓我們證明這個理論的機會——如果很多教練都能像史蒂文斯那樣最大化球員的能力，那我會很震驚的。所以不要期望克勞德，或者布拉德利，或者斯馬特被交易後能發揮出在凱特人的效果。

第二點，凱爾特人不是非常擅長選秀，所以他們也該在選秀權上更願意做出讓步。

第三點，喬治能讓凱爾特人從與常規賽偽爭冠球隊一躍成為真正的冠軍爭奪者。如果凱爾特人能常規性地進入分區決賽，難道你還會真的相信喬治會跑去湖人的狗屎劇情？這可能還是安吉為了壓價放出的傳聞吧。

[–]Celticsredsoxman6594 14 指標 3小時前

It"s as simple as this combined with having no center and PG possibly leaving in a year

結合交易後球隊的陣容而且沒有中鋒來看，喬治可能會在一年之後走人。

[–]CelticsE10DIN 13 指標 3小時前

Seriously. Yes ainge overvalues our assets, but the leaked asking prices for Butler and PG made us worse, not better.

講真，沒錯，安吉是高估了我凱的資產，但巴特勒和喬治的要價傳聞交易會讓我凱變得更弱，而不是更強。

[–][PHI] Nerlens Noelstockphish 6 指標 3小時前*

Idk it seems like they are content to be a solid playoff team, and build through the draft.

I think Danny Ainge gets a lot of flak around here for not moving any of his pieces, but it seems like he is always listening, and would only make a move where the Celtics are the clear winners.

If that is the goal of the organization - play competitive basketball while milking the Nets picks and then building a team around them* - I don"t see anything wrong with that

不懂了，似乎他凱滿足於成為一直穩定季後賽的球隊，而且通過選秀來建隊。

我覺得安吉因為緊握手裡的籌碼在濕乎乎遭受了很多抨擊，但似乎他一直都在聽取報價，而且只有凱爾特人覺得明顯賺了他才會出手。

如果這是球隊的目標——保持競爭力的同時薅籃網的選秀權，之後圍繞著這些籌碼來建隊——我覺得這沒什麼不妥的。

[–]CelticsE10DIN 6 指標 2小時前

Seriously. I think people see us at the #2 seed and think we need to compete now, when really we"re in a rebuild. We have the assets to build a long term competitor.

講真，我覺得人們看到我凱是第二種子，覺得我們需要現在就去爭奪冠軍，而我們現在真的是在重建，我們有資本去建造一支長期爭冠的球隊。

[–]WarriorsSillierCarcass5 7 指標 3小時前

Comparing "16 draft with "17 draft is a little unfair. There"s bound to be busts in even this draft, but it"s still expected to be far better than average. That combined with PG seemingly being unwilling to commit long term means the pick is probably worth more than a PG13 rental.

拿16選秀和17選秀有點不公平，17這屆選秀里有就算是水貨也還是預計比平均水準的好得多的球員。結合喬治似乎看來不願意給出長期承諾來看，這意味著選秀權可能比租用喬治要更有價值。

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