美球迷熱議歐文數據對比不遜庫里，歐文本賽季表現被低估了？

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美球迷熱議歐文數據對比不遜庫里，歐文本賽季表現被低估了？

Comparing Steph and Kyrie"s raw statsStats

庫里和歐文的初級數據大比拼

Kyrie:

35.1 MPG 25.0 PPG 3.2 RPG 5.9 APG. on 47/39/91 splits

Curry:

33.5 MPG 24.8 PPG 4.4 RPG 5.9 APG on 46/40/92 splits

Obviously Curry is more efficient and is putting up slightly better numbers, but I think it puts into perspective how great Kyrie is, perhaps underrated on this sub.

歐文：

場均35.1分鐘，25分，3.2個籃板，5.9個助攻，命中率分別為47/39/91

庫里：

場均33.5分鐘，24.8分，4.4個籃板，5.9個助攻，命中率分別為46/40/92

很明顯庫里效率更高，而且數據更好，但我覺得這個角度也說明歐文很不錯，也許在這個論壇上被低估了。

[–]CavaliersMisterCuprous 66 指標 13小時前

Also puts into perspective how great both of these guys are since they"ve both pretty much been the second option on their respective teams this season.

同時也展示出這倆老哥在作為球隊的第二選擇時表現有多好。

[–]76ers23isgoat 24 指標 13小時前*

Kyrie has taken a bit of a backseat at times this season but isn"t he leading the team in field goal attempts by a considerable amount? Especially with Love out he has become more aggressive

歐文這賽季偶爾會退居次席，但是他不是以一定數量領跑球隊出手排行榜么？尤其是樂福受傷這段段他越來越有侵略性了。

[–]CavaliersMisterCuprous 24 指標 13小時前

1.8 more than LeBron. Kyrie is just more of an ISO player and takes more shots but I"d say LeBron is still the first scoring option.

Similarly, Steph is taking more shots than KD but KD is still the first option.

比詹姆斯多了1.8次。歐文實際上跟單打更多，出手更多，但詹姆斯才是球隊的第一選擇。

同樣，庫里比杜蘭特出出手多，而杜蘭特才是球隊的第一選擇。

[–]76ers23isgoat 11 指標 13小時前

LeBron has the ball in his hands a lot more as well. And he has god tier efficiency so I guess it shouldn"t be a knock on Kyrie

詹姆斯的球權也更多啊。而且他的效率和太陽肩並肩，所以我覺得這應該被拿來用作貶低歐文。

[–]Raptorswaswereual 7 指標 13小時前

I"d be curious to see kyrie splits without lebron on the floor.

Per/36 would probably be an apt comparison

很想看到詹姆斯不在場時歐文的表現。

[–]CavaliersJjab430 13 指標 13小時前*

I remember seeing a graphic on here showing the differences in TS% for Lebron"s teammates when he"s on and off the floor. Everyone had massive positive jumps except for Kyrie, whose percentages went slightly down

我還記得看過一個展示他們在詹姆斯在場與不在場時真實命中率的差異圖。每個人都是嗖嗖的下降，只有歐文是略微下降。

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[–]BulletsMind_Fcuk 24 指標 11小時前

FUN FACT: Even though Curry has a higher 2P% and 3P% than Kyrie, Kyrie has a higher FG%.

Curry:

2P: 4.4-8.2 = 53.7%

3P: 3.9-9.8 = 39.8%

FG: 8.3-18 = 46.1%

Kyrie:

2P: 6.9-13.5 = 51.1%

3P: 2.4-6.2 = 38.7%

FG: 9.3-19.7 = 47.2%

一個有意思的事：

雖然庫里的兩分球和三分球命中率都比歐文高，但是歐文的總命中率還是比庫里高

庫里：

2分：8.2中4.4，53.7%

3分：9.8中3.9，49.8%

總：8.3中18，46.1%

歐文

2分：13.5中6.9，51.1%

3分：6.2中2.4，38.7%

總：19.7中9.3，47.2%

[–]RaptorsBowieScorvat 11 指標 7小時前

My brain hurts

腦殼疼

[–]NuggetsLew_AIcindor 14 指標 13小時前

Do Cavs fans really think it"s underrating Irving to say he has not been as good as Thomas, Wall or Lowry?

如果說歐文不如托馬斯，沃爾和洛瑞的話，騎蜜們真的覺得這樣就是在低估歐文么？

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesviniribeiro[S] 55 指標 13小時前

I think it is underrating to say there is no argument for him, especially against Lowry

我覺得說他跟這些人比起來毫無機會才是在低估他，尤其是跟洛瑞比的時候。

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesviniribeiro[S] 7 指標 13小時前*

More points on similar (ish) efficiency with less minutes while sharing the floor with both LeBron and Love. Also Kyrie has outplayed him in the conference finals and has played amazing in the playoffs

在效率差不多的情況下，出場時間更少，而且還要和詹姆斯樂福分享場上的空間。同時分區決賽里歐文表現也更好，季後賽發揮也很出色。

[–][POR] Damian Lillardirelli 48 指標 13小時前

It"s not similar-ish efficiency. Kyle Lowry is the most efficient point guard in the entire league

根本不是相近，洛瑞是全聯盟效率最高的控球後衛。

[–][TOR] Terrence Rossredsnake1377 15 指標 12小時前

kyrie is not as efficent as Lowry and their defense is leagues apart. Lowry"s a better shooter, passer, and defender. He"s even a better rebounder, gets more steals and blocks, even though that doesn"t mean shit. He takes full control of the raptors offense, not sharing it with LeBron, and he only averages .1 more turnovers. Almost every single advanced stat out there favours Lowry. Lowry"s eFG% is way better than Irvings, his TS% is way better, Lowry"s a better raw 3Point shooter, more WS/48, way higher on RPM & VORP, BPM, higher PER.

The only stats that favour Kyrie are raw PPG and raw FG%. He scores more on 5 more shots per game. He does everything better in like 2 more minutes. When people say there"s no argument, they"re right.

歐文沒有洛瑞那麼高效，而且防守不是一個檔次。洛瑞是個更好的投手，傳球手和防守者。他甚至籃板能力也更強，搶斷蓋帽也要更多，哪怕這毫無意義。他一個人掌控了猛龍的整個進攻，身邊沒有詹姆斯的情況下，失誤只多了0.1個。基本每項高階數據都是洛瑞更強。洛瑞的有效命中率比比歐文高了特別多，真實命中率也好很多。純從三分的角度來看也是洛瑞更強，每48分鐘勝利貢獻值也是洛瑞更高，RPM，VORP，BPM和PER這些高階數據更是比歐文高上天。

歐文佔有的唯二數據就是場均得分和命中率。他場均多得分是多出手五次得來的。洛瑞在多上場的兩分鐘里幾乎做到了全面壓制歐文。所以人們說他倆沒得比的時候，是真的沒得比。

[–][TOR] Terrence Rossredsnake1377 9 指標 12小時前

that"s only because Kyrie is young. If you want a PG to start your team with for one season you"re taking Kyle and Wall. no contest. Kyrie isn"t even close to a top 3 player in the east. He"s not better than Wall, Lowry, Bron, Giannis, George, even DeRozan.

這都是因為歐文太年輕了，如果你想要一個控衛來建隊，你會選洛瑞或者沃爾，沒懸念。歐文在東部都不是最強的三個球員之一。他沒比沃爾，洛瑞，詹姆斯，字母哥，喬治強，甚至沒有德羅贊

[–]Raptorsrainman416 7 指標 12小時前

Curry is better than Kyrie at every single basketball skill except dribbling. He"s a a better passer, scorer, rebounder, defender. They are not close

庫里除了運球，每項技術都比歐文好。他傳球得分籃板防守都更好，這倆人水平完全不接近。

[–]Raptorsrainman416 5 指標 12小時前

Curry is a better shooter and a better finisher at the rim. And curry is a vastly better passer, stats are down because of Kerr"s system and because he plays off ball so much, but he"s always been a better passer than Kyrie. C"mon now. Look at Curry when he played an iso game with Mark Jackson. Heck compare curry"s first few years in the league on a trash warriors team, he was passing better then than Kyrie does now lol

庫里是個更好的投手和更好的籃下終結者。庫里更是一個好的傳球手，數據不夠是因為科爾的體系讓他打了很多無球，但他傳球一直都比歐文號。拜託，看看庫里在馬克傑克遜手下的單打。看看那幾年庫里在那支稀爛的勇士打球的樣子，他當時傳球都比歐文現在傳球強，哈哈哈哈。

[–]WarriorsThe_Great_Saiyaman21 2 指標 7小時前

Lmao you can"t just separate playoff shit and call it a day. Kyrie has literally only played in the playoffs with Lebron on one of the best teams in the league. Two postseasons. Curry was carrying our team out the ass when we struggled to win 45+ games.

勇蜜：哈哈哈哈哈哈，你不能拋下季後賽不看就收尾了呀。歐文真的只跟詹姆斯一起，跟隨全聯盟最好的球隊一起打過季後賽。而有兩次季後賽，庫里都是一人扛著全隊前進，當時我們贏下45場比賽都很掙扎。

[–]Cavalierscryolems 1 指標 8小時前

Curry is not a better finisher at the rim.

庫里籃下終結才不是更好的那個。

[–]WarriorsThe_Great_Saiyaman21 6 指標 8小時前

He actually is. Curry shoots a significantly higher percentage in the restricted area and from 0-3 feet. There"s actually no metric by which Kyrie is a better finisher other than style points. But Kyrie having flashy finishes doesn"t really make him a better finisher.

他實際上是的，庫里在禁區和0-3尺距離的命中率更高，沒有哪項數據說明歐文除了那些標誌性得分外終結能力更強，但是歐文這麼多花哨的瞬間真的也不會讓他就順理成章的成為一個更好的終結者。

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