發現波波弱點了！美球迷熱議聯盟最強教練有何執教缺點！

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發現波波弱點了！美球迷熱議聯盟最強教練有何執教缺點！

[SERIOUS] What are weaknesses of Gregg Popovich"s coaching style? (self.nba)

波波維奇執教風格的弱點是什麼？

No need to upvote, just need some genuine responses haha. I have an assignment due today and I"m stuck on one last question -

"Outline some of the weaknesses of the coach you have chosen. What are some things he/she needs to improve or does not do well compared to other coaches in their sport?"

I mean it"s really hard to find any notable weaknesses in Pop"s extremely successful coaching career please help!!!

EDIT: Thanks for all the responses guys! And if you were wondering what subject this was for, I"m an Australian high school student in year 12 (my final year of high school) and as part of a subject where I gain a sport and recreation certificate, we had to choose a coach in any sport and research how they coach. I chose Pop because I think he is pretty clearly the best coach in the game today!

不求亮，只想聽聽大家的真實想法哈哈。我有個作業今天截止，而最後一個問題難住我了 -

「概括你所選擇教練的一些弱點。在他們的領域裡，有哪些方面是他們需要改進的，或者和其他教練比做的沒那麼好的？」

我覺著在波波維奇極其成功的教練生涯里找到哪怕一個明顯的缺點都太難了，求幫助！！！

補充：感謝JR們的回復！如果你們好奇這是啥作業，我是一名澳大利亞中學的高三生，我正試圖拿到一個運動和休閑方面的證書，其中的一部分任務，我們必須選擇任意體育運動中的一位教練，研究他們是如何執教的。我選了波波，因為我覺得他無疑是現在最棒的教練！

[–][SAS] Tim Duncanrattatatouille 998 指標 1 天前

I think it only boils down to overreliance on vets and his coaching style not being for everyone.

For the former it"s apparent that he"ll ride with guys like TP even if they"re underperforming. For the latter, it"s why Richard Jefferson sucked with us.

我覺得歸根結底，只有過度信賴老將，和他的執教風格不適用於所有人這兩點。

前者很明顯，他會和比如托尼-帕克這樣的球員處得來，即使他們表現不佳。對於後者，這就是為什麼理查德-傑弗森跟我們一塊的時候表現的一塌糊塗的原因。

[–]Raptorsgarynevilleisared 184 指標 22小時前

actually have to disagree with this. RJ went through a transition in his career at the time and had a lot of nagging injuries. One of the best basketball podcasts of the year, Luke Walton with Bill Simmons, maybe three weeks ago? He talks about how he and RJ and their UA buddies would play beach volleyball and do yoga everyday in the summer. They started the season before last, around the time RJ was with the Mavs. Walton said after a while he noticed RJ"s durability and mobility improved tremendously.

Pinning RJs lack of success solely on Pop is kind of unfair, if you don"t really digest some of hidden details

edit: was with the Mavs, not Warriors.

老實說，不得不表示反對。理查德-傑弗森那時處於職業生涯的轉折期，並且傷病纏身。年度最佳的籃球播客節目之一，盧克-沃頓與比爾-西蒙斯，大概是三周前之類的曾提到過，他和傑佛森，還有他們的那幫亞利桑那大學小夥伴，夏天會每天一起打沙灘排球、做瑜伽。他們從上上個賽季，大概傑佛森在小牛那會兒，開始這樣的。沃頓說，過了一段時間以後，他發現傑佛森的持久程度和移動能力都大幅提升了。

不把背後隱藏的細節嚼透，而單單把傑佛森在馬刺的失敗和波波綁定，這是不公平的。

訂正：是傑弗森在小牛那會兒，不是在勇士。

[–]Vancouver Grizzliesgekkohs 206 指標 23 小時前

RJ was just finished being an above average player

傑佛森最終成為了一名平均水準以上的球員。

[–][WAS] John Walllivefreeordont 103 指標 23小時前

He did pretty good in Milwaukee just one year prior

就在一年前，他在雄鹿還幹得很不錯呢。

[–]Raptorsbeerdude111 180 指標 22小時前

Not to mention, doing pretty good at Cleveland too.

更不用提，在騎士也相當給力。

[–]Lakerstsuba5a 81 指標 22小時前

Is he actually doing good or just being a net neutral body on the court? I don"t watch much Cavs games so I"m curious.

他是確實打得很好，還是僅僅是場上一個無功無過的傢伙？我沒怎麼看過騎士比賽，所以我很好奇。

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamespentemc 178 指標 22小時前

Plays well sometimes

有時候打得不錯。

[–][CLE] LeBron JamesTheresJustNoWay 27 指標 19小時前

Specifically he"s good for that team because he works well with LeBron on the court and is a great stabilizing presence for a team that can be prone to strong ups and downs

重點是，他對騎士很合適，因為他在場上和勒布朗共處得很好。同時是能夠這支經常會大起大落球隊的一個非常棒的鎮定劑。

[–]SpursBearsNecessity 35 指標 19小時前

he also is hugely useful against the Warriors, because he can be that swing forward who can switch and guard most of Golden State"s small ball lineup.

對陣勇士時他的幫助也很大，因為他可以作為鋒線搖擺人換位防守勇士小球陣容的大部分球員。

[–]MavericksDreadSteed 51 指標 22小時前

RJ comes in for like 18 minutes a game on the Cavs whereas he was supposed to help offset Manu/Tony"s scoring load. He"s not responsible for this role on the Cavs, as that"s JR"s role.

He was essentially brought in to be a 4th option for the Spurs and he was underwhelming in that role.

傑佛森剛來騎士時平均每場要打大約18分鐘，但他在馬刺時的任務是減輕馬努/帕克身上的得分壓力，而在騎士他卻不用對此負責，這是JR-史密斯的任務。

他其實需要成為馬刺的第四號得分手，然而這角色卻讓他不堪重負。

[–]SpursWD51 599 指標 1 天前

Keep in mind that Pop"s coaching style has changed throughout the past 20 or so years. He"s mellowed out from his earlier hellfire years. Some players like TP ended up thriving under it. Others, like Beno Udrih, not so much. He chased Beno (a decent player) out of SA because he was too hard on him.

別忘了波波的執教風格在過去二十年里始終在變化。他已經逐漸走出了早期的魔鬼教頭風格。一些球員從中倖存了下來，比如托尼帕克。其他一些人，比如本諾-尤德里，卻並不如。波波把本諾（一個優秀的球員）驅離了馬刺，因為他對他太嚴苛了。

[–][OKC] Russell Westbrooksir_alvarex 198 指標 22小時前

It"s also important to note that his coaching style works in large part because of his early success.

Look at Rick Carlisle who has a similar "no nonsense" approach to treating his players. He burned out on the Pistons and the Pacers very quickly because he didn"t have the greatest teams. Then he goes to the Mavs, wins the championship after 3 years (which if my memory serves he was going to be on the hotseat if they lost that year), and now is untouchable and considered a great coach.

If Pop didn"t have such a great team with Duncan and Robinson I don"t know if he lasts 5 years. But since he did win that meant all the players afterwards had to buy into his style.

He also doesn"t seem to keen on making adjustments or trusting his players (except Manu). One of the reasons the Thunder beat the Spurs last year is because he didn"t make any adjustments to the Thunder big lineup. I"ve seen him do that in prior years with an over-reliance on Parker and Ginobli. For example in 2012 when the Thunder came back from being down 2-0 to get to the finals. Once Thabo was put on Parker the entire offense died and Pop refused to make any adjustments.

With that said he is one of, if not the, best coaches the NBA has ever seen.

很重要的一點是，波波的執教風格通常湊效，要歸功於他早期的成功。

看看里克-卡萊爾，和波波相似的以「直截了當別廢話」風格對待球員的教練。他在活塞和步行者很快就崩盤了，因為他手下擁有的不是最好的球隊。然後他去了小牛，三年後贏得了總冠軍（如果我沒記錯，他們那年若是輸了，他的主教練位置就非常不穩了），現在他地位穩固，被看作一個偉大的教練、。

如果波波在起步時手頭沒有鄧肯和羅賓遜領先的偉大陣容，我不知道他能不能撐過五年。但他開局確實一帆風順，這就意味著之後的所有球員都必須買他執教風格的賬。

他似乎也不太樂意去做出調整或信任他的球員（除了馬努）。雷霆去年能擊敗馬刺的原因之一，就是他面對雷霆的大個首發沒有做出任何調整。之前幾年我也看到他這麼做過，就是過度信任帕克和吉諾比利。比如2012年，雷霆在0-2落後的情況下大逆轉淘汰馬刺進入總決賽，一旦塞弗 洛沙對位上帕克，馬刺的整個進攻體系就垮掉了，而波波拒絕做出任何調整。

儘管如此，他還是NBA歷史上最佳教練之一，或許沒有之一。

[–]SpursWD51 68 指標 22小時前

Yeah, "trust the system" does wonders for consistency, but it also means that it takes time to adjust to things at times. He"s not keen on throwing out lineups that haven"t seen a lot of time in reg season. In hindsight, he"s admitted that he should have used Splitter earlier in the Memphis series (that was like his first or second year in the league and he didn"t have much time in reg season due to injuries). The Diaw for Splitter change in the 2014 playoffs was a great move that sealed the finals, but kind of surprising given Splitter was starting the whole time.

As far as last year goes, turd towers (Diaw+West) was definitely a terrible idea against Kanter and the OKC bigs. In that series, they didn"t have any athletic bigs besides Aldridge so he was kind of hamstring. Should have rotated bigs better so at least one of Aldridge and Duncan were out there though.

同意，「相信體系」能創造連續性上的奇蹟，但這也意味著有時改變也需要時間。波波是不喜歡拋出一個沒有在常規賽歷練太久的首發陣容。事後而論，他承認自己應該早些把在對陣灰熊的系列賽中把斯普利特放上場的（那是斯普利特在聯盟的第一或第二年，他因為傷病沒有在常規賽 得到太多的出場時間）。2014年季後賽中迪奧對斯普利特的替換是著妙棋，直接殺死了總決賽，但考慮到斯普利特之前一直首發，這也有些令人驚訝。

然而去年，胖頭陀雙塔（迪奧+韋斯特）顯然是對陣坎特和其他雷霆長人的糟糕選擇。在那個系列賽中，他們在阿爾德里奇之外缺少具有運動能力的大個子，這讓他如同跛足而行。波波應該更好地輪換大個子的，從而讓阿爾德里奇和鄧肯至少其一能在場。

[–]Lakersdonkeynut5 56 指標 21小時前

I forget when Pop said this, but the fact that Duncan and Robinson (military guy like Pop) allowed Pop to coach and deferred to him made the difference.

When the star players buy in, the rest follow suit.

我忘了波波什麼時候說過這點了，但事實是鄧肯和羅賓遜（像波波這樣軍隊出身的傢伙）允許波波這麼執教，接受波波去做出改變。

如果當家球星買你的賬，那剩下的球員也會聽話。

[–]Spurschecktheacoustics 261 指標 1 天前

really stubborn about playing new guys not adapted to the "system," especially in the playoffs. See: 2012 tiago splitter, anyone behind parker after 2013

對於讓不適應「體系」的新人們打球實在太頑固，特別是在季後賽。比如：2012年的斯普利特，2013年至今帕克的任何替補。

[–]lebronjamesfastbreak 177 指標 1 天前

CoJo should have gotten 5 mins of playing time each game of the 2015 Clips series, just send him out there once a quarter and say "pick Chris Paul up full court and stick to his hip until I sub you out"

科里-約瑟夫在2015年對快船的系列賽里每場都應該得到5分鐘的出場時間，就每節把他派上場一次，告訴他「全場跟緊克里斯-保羅，貼住他的屁股，直到我把你換下來」，就成。

[–]GTADashcam 69 指標 23小時前

Thank you for saying this mate.

TP was DONE that series. Patty was getting rhythm back still from an injury that season.

CoJo has always done a great job on D. He could of helped with the CP3 pick and roll and tired him out. I think that SIMPLE substitution would of helped us win the series.

I was rooting for a Patty, CoJo, Belli lineup.

Patty would basically chase the SG and CoJo Defend CP3 for like you said, 5-8 minutes a game. Belli would guard the SF and mind you, Clippers had NO SF lol

老哥真是謝謝你這麼說。

帕克那個系列賽完全不行。米爾斯剛從那賽季的傷病中恢復，還在尋找節奏。

約瑟夫在防守上一直給力。他可以去防保羅的擋拆，並耗盡他的體力。我覺得這個簡簡單單的換人能夠幫助我們贏下系列賽。

我一直期盼米爾斯，約瑟夫，貝里內利都在場上的陣容湊效。

米爾斯主要去追訪得分後衛，而約瑟夫像你說的那樣去防守保羅，每場5-8分鐘。貝里內利可以去防守小前鋒，順便提醒你，快船沒有小前鋒，哈哈哈。

[–]Hawksazuresou1 32 指標 23小時前

I think a wrinkle to this is that he might also have issues coaching high talent, high ego players who would break or even reject the system.

Say he had coached Kobe instead of Timmy. I don"t think there would be any complaints about the work ethic... but the shot selection and frequency? Would that partnership last?

我覺得還有一點瑕疵是，他可能不能很好地執教那些天賦高，自我意識強烈，可能打破體系平衡，甚至拒絕接受體系的球員。

假設他執教的是科比而非鄧肯。我不覺得在職業態度上會有任何的爭議分歧...但投籃選擇與頻率呢？這樣的師徒關係能持續下去嗎？

[–]Spurschecktheacoustics 23 指標 23小時前

agree, part of the reason sjax was let go in 2013 even though he was (on paper) a net positive for the team. he had issues playing behind danny green and was acting dumb and aggressive in practice. it came to a head when pop tried to make him admit green was better, sjax didn"t budge, cut from the team

同意，這是史蒂芬-傑克遜2013年在紙面上還對球隊有著正面影響，卻依然被放走的部分原因。他不能接受作為丹尼-格林的替補打球，並在訓練中表現得又蠢又衝動。最後衝突在波波試圖讓他承認格林更優秀時爆發，傑克遜毫不讓步，被從隊中裁掉。

[–][PHI] Chris Webbertheb3arjevv 290 指標 1 天前

Pop is sometimes a little too reliant on tactics and strategy. Sometimes it"s best to just put your best players on the floor and hope for the best.

He better than most at balancing this, too. Goes to show how great Pop really is.

波波有時候有點太依賴戰術和策略了。有時候你最好把你最好的球員派上場，然後希望一切能如願。

但他在這兩者之間找平衡點的能力也強於大多數人。這又變成彰顯波波有多偉大了。

[–]Charlotte HornetsTheGanobler 184 指標 1 天前

Brings to mind when he took Timmy out before Ray Allen hit that 3 in the 2013 Finals. It seemed like a smart move strategy-wise, but you have to think Duncan (one of the best players ever) would have been able to help out in some way on that play.

想起2013年總決賽，雷-阿倫射中那記三分之前他把鄧肯換下了場。這看似是一個機智的策略，但你必須考慮到鄧肯（史上最好的球員之一）會在那時以某種方式幫助球隊的。

[–]Spurshhunterhh 34 指標 23小時前*

He does know a star when he sees one. Lately, he"s been letting Kawhi do just about whatever he wants offensively and doesn"t yell at him coming back down the floor if it was a poor shot.

Also, before the 2003 finals in a pregame coaches meeting, when beginning to discuss the game plan he said something along the lines of "Who cares, we have Tim Duncan", and thus concluded the meeting.

當波波遇見球星時，他會懂得如何使用他的。最近，他讓倫納德在進攻端完全自由發揮，在他投出一記糟糕投籃時也不會追著他大吼大叫。

類似地，大概是在2003年總決賽前的教練會議，教練組剛要開始討論比賽計劃，他說了「管他的，我們有蒂姆-鄧肯」之類的話，一句話就總結了會議內容。

[–]Grizzliesthelasthendrix 18 指標 18小時前

(maybe 2001)

"Coach Popovich, who do you like in this year"s Finals, the Lakers or the 76ers?"

"Who cares, we have Tim Duncan."

（大概在2001年）

「波波維奇指導，你想在今年總決賽見到哪支球隊，湖人還是76人？」

「管他的，我們有蒂姆-鄧肯。」

[–]Spursomgscottlikewoah 124 指標 23小時前*

A few of these have already been mentioned, but coming from someone who has watched Pop for his entire coaching career:

1) His strict, military style doesn"t work with all personalities. Some players thrive under a coach who demands perfection and will call them out; others can"t handle the pressure.

2) Sometimes, he plays mad scientist with his rotations and it bites him in the ass. He"ll put combinations on the floor that have never played together. He"ll pull guys out just when they are starting on a hot streak. He"ll sit a guy for three-and-a-half quarters, and then throw them into the game cold (this happens a lot when the other players aren"t performing well, which means they are usually facing a deficit when they enter). He is very structured with the timing of his substitutions, but who"s number he will call is always a surprise.

3) He has a short leash for young players. If you are a rookie coming into the Spurs, good luck seeing the floor much in the first season. The Spurs are often lauded for their player development, but most of that is done behind the scenes, not in the heat of battle. A perfect example is Dejounte Murray, who was viewed as a steal in the draft and has played relatively well in the few times he"s filled in for Parker, yet he has spent more time playing in the DLeague than he has in San Antonio. I find this particularly odd because the few players who didn"t get this treatment (Parker, Neal, and Leonard) all blossomed very quickly.

4) In the same vein, he is overly reliant on his veterans. Once playoff time comes, Pop is going to lean on the guys who have been-there, done-that. While it"s hard to quantify experience, no amount of seasoning is going to help if your guys are too old to keep up with the quick, hyper-athletic young guns in the league. (Look back to the Semis last year, when Pop kept putting in David West even though he was obviously getting manhandled by OKC"s bigs).

5) For some reason, from like 2008-2011, he seemed to believe that Matt Bonner was a legitimate starter in this league. He also tried to replace Bruce Bowen with Keith Bogans which worked out about as well as you"d expect.

All that said, I love Pop and still think he is the best of the best. No coach is perfect, and mistakes are bound to happen. But you can"t argue with the results.

有幾點上面已經提到了，但圍觀了波波整個執教生涯的在下還是有些想嘮叨嘮叨的：

1）他嚴格，軍事化的風格不能在所有人身上都湊效。有些球員能忍受教練追求完美，對他們大吼大叫；另外那些球員則不能應付這種壓力。

2）有些時候，他像個瘋狂科學家一樣輪換，而輪換大發了容易扯著他的蛋。他會把從未一起打過球的陣容放在場上。他會把剛剛手感發熱的傢伙們按在板凳上。他會讓一個球員苦等三節半，還沒進入狀態就把他們扔到場上（這在其他球員表現不好時經常發生，而這意味著剛上場的球員 通常要面對球隊落後的局面）。他在換人時機上有跡可循，但他會叫到哪個號碼常常是個謎。

3）他對年輕球員約束很嚴。如果你是個新到馬刺的菜鳥，那首個賽季你就在板凳上自求多福吧。馬刺經常因為有益球員成長而受到誇獎，但這大部分是在場下完成的，而非場上對抗白熱化之時。一個完美示例是德章泰-默里，被看作是馬刺選秀中偷來的寶，在幾次填補帕克下場時間的時候相對打得也不錯，但目前為止他在發展聯盟打球的時候還是比在聖安東尼要多。我覺得這事特別奇怪，因為少數幾個沒有遭此待遇的球員（帕克，尼爾和倫納德）都曾井噴式的成長。

4）同樣的道理，他對他的老將們過度依賴。一旦季後賽時刻來臨，波波就會傾向使用那些有過經歷、有過貢獻的球員。當然經驗很難被量化，但如果你的夥計們太老了，那加再多的調料也比不過聯盟中快速的、運動能力爆炸的小鮮肉（回憶一下去年的西區半決賽，波波一直讓大衛- 韋斯特在場，不顧他明顯疲於招架雷霆的大個子們）。

5）出於某些原因，大概在2008-2011年，他似乎相信馬特-邦納是聯盟里合格的首發球員。他還試圖用基斯-博甘斯取代布魯斯-鮑文，但結局跟你想像的差不多。

總之，我還是愛著波波，並堅信他是教練王中王。沒有完美的教練，人們總會犯錯。但你不能否定他的赫赫功勞。

[–]Spursyespur0611 25 指標 22小時前

I know Spurs fans get all grouchy with his rotations and pairing guys who don"t make sense, but I really think he uses the regular season to experiment. I think there were a couple of times during past playoffs where Pop was caught with his pants down because he had no answer or didn"t try other groups besides his set rotation.

I also think his playbook is too overly complicated, especially for 1st year guys, rookies or vets. They almost never are in with the game on the line in crunch time. Pop is also slow to adjust in-game, which is good/bad. He doesn"t over-react when the Spurs are getting their asses kicked early.

To Pop"s credit, I think his strict style has lightened up considerably over the years. He relies on the seasoned vets like Tim, Tony, and Manu to straighten out the guys if they screwed up.

我知道刺蜜們都受夠了他的輪換和完全不著調的球員搭配，但我真的認為他是在用常規賽做實驗。我覺得在季後賽中有幾次波波狼狽不堪，因為他沒有應對之策，或者在他的常規輪換外沒試過其他組合。

我還覺得他的戰術本太厚太複雜了，特別是對於來馬刺第一年的新人，新秀或者老兵。他們在關鍵時刻幾乎得不到上場機會。波波在臨場調整方面也有些慢，這利弊參半。在馬刺早早就被打一悶棍的時候，他不會反應過度。

對於波波應得的讚譽，我覺得他的嚴厲風格常年閃光。如果其他球員搞砸了，他會依靠像鄧肯，帕克，吉諾比利這樣的老將讓他們振作起來。

[–]EastGoldenSpikes 162 指標 23小時前*

Later in the playoffs

"Yeah shout out to r/nba for exposing all of Pop"s weaknesses, couldn"t have done it without you guys." - Kerr

晚些時候，在季後賽里。

「超級感謝Reddit揭示了波波的全部弱點，沒有你們我可干不掉他。」-科爾

[–]NBAatc32 289 指標 1 天前

he ages and therefor may retire at some point

他的弱點在於年齡，哪天他可能會退休的。

[–]OKC HornetsTyrone_Lue 209 指標 1 天前

Awful coach. Weakness: not immortal.

波波爛透了。弱點：不能長生不老。

[–]SpursKhurtz009 88 指標 1 天前

He"s not great at making the games attractive to casual fans. He invented hack a Shaq, made precautionary resting popular and his teams" plays styles are "boring".

他不太擅長用比賽去吸引普通觀眾。他分明了砍鯊戰術，讓預防性輪休流行，而他的球隊比賽風格「無聊」。

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