美球迷：都覺得詹皇總決之路容易？那是你沒見過80年代湖人！

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Think LeBron has easy paths to the Finals? You should look at the 80"s Lakers (self.nba)

大家都覺得詹姆斯進總決賽一路很輕鬆？那你們都該好好看一下80年代的湖人

Below are the gauntlets they had to run to reach the Finals. First number is team SRS.

(Note: NBA had a 1st round bye for top 2 seeds until 1984)

下面是他們在去往總決賽的路上所遭到的挑戰，第一個數字是SRS（SRS計算了球隊整個賽季的勝利邊際，調整了賽程強度。SRS數值越高，難度越大）

（NBA在1984年以前，排名前兩位的種子選手會首輪輪空）

1979-80

西部半決賽 3.25 55勝27負菲尼克斯太陽 WCSF 3.25 SRS 55-27 Phoenix Suns

西部決賽 4.24 56勝26負西雅圖超音速 WCF 4.24 SRS 56-26 Seattle Supersonics

1981-82

西部半決賽 3.05 46勝36負菲尼克斯太陽 WCSF 3.05 46-36 Phoenix Suns

西部決賽 1.79 48勝34負聖安東尼奧馬刺 WCF 1.79 48-34 San Antonio Spurs

1982-83

西部半決賽 1.88 46勝36負波特蘭開拓者 WCSF 1.88 46-36 Portland Trailblazers

西部決賽 3.10 53勝29負聖安東尼奧馬刺 WCF 3.10 53-29 San Antonio Spurs

1983-84

季後賽第一輪 -1.62 38勝44負堪薩斯城國王 1st RD -1.62 38-44 Kansas City Kings

西部半決賽 0.15 43勝39負達拉斯小牛 WCSF 0.15 43-39 Dallas Mavericks

西部決賽 0.65 41勝41負菲尼克斯太陽 WCF 0.65 41-41 Phoenix Suns

1984-85

季後賽第一輪 -2.34 36勝46負菲尼克斯太陽 1st RD -2.34 36-46 Phoenix Suns

西部半決賽 2.80 42勝40負波特蘭開拓者 WCSF 2.80 42-40 Portland Trailblazers

西部決賽 2.05 52勝30負丹佛掘金 WCF 2.05 52-30 Denver Nuggets

1986-87

季後賽第一輪 -1.14 37勝45負丹佛掘金 1st RD -1.14 37-45 Denver Nuggets

西部半決賽 -2.54 42勝40負金州勇士 WCSF -2.54 42-40 Golden State Warriors

西部決賽 0.08 39勝43負西雅圖超音速 WCF 0.08 39-43 Seattle Supersonics

1987-88

季後賽第一輪 -5.02 31勝 51負聖安東尼奧馬刺 1st RD -5.02 31-51 San Antonio Spurs

西部半決賽 2.96 47勝35負猶他爵士 WCSF 2.96 47-35 Utah Jazz

西部決賽 3.59 53勝29負達拉斯小牛 WCF 3.59 53-29 Dallas Mavericks

1988-89

季後賽第一輪 0.92 39勝43負波特蘭開拓者 1st RD 0.92 39-43 Portland Trailblazers

西部半決賽 2.44 47勝35負西雅圖超音速 WCSF 2.44 47-35 Seattle Supersonics

西部決賽 6.84 55勝27負菲尼克斯太陽 WCF 6.84 55-27 Phoenix Suns

[–]ClippersCoryJoseph6 197 指標 1 天前

WCF 0.08 39-43 Seattle Supersonics

That is insane

西部決賽 0.08 39勝43負西雅圖超音速

這也太扯淡了……

[–]NBAlolathon234[S] 90 指標 1 天前

in 1980-81, the WCF was -0.20 40-42 Houston vs -0.49 40-42 Kansas City. Houston went to the Finals, yes a sub .500 team made an NBA Finals.

1980-1981賽季，西部決賽的對陣雙方是-0.20 40勝42負的火箭對陣-0.49 40勝42負的堪薩斯城國王。火箭最後進入了決賽。對你沒聽錯，一支勝率不夠50%的球隊進入了NBA總決賽。

[–]Lakers Bandwagon_Meece_ 28 指標 1 天前*

These years are just after they started having all teams play 3 rounds before the finals. League was not nearly talented enough yet to handle so many teams in the playoffs.

So the top seeds were playing trash NBA teams for 3 games every playoffs for a bit there.

那些年，是聯盟剛開始讓所有球隊在總決賽之前要經歷三輪系列賽的時候，當時的聯盟天賦根本還不夠讓季後賽里一次有這麼多球隊。

所以當時聯盟里的頭幾號種子都要在季後賽剛開始的時候，跟一隻垃圾球隊打三場。

[–]NBAlolathon234[S] 28 指標 1 天前

The East was extraordinarily difficult throughout the 80"s..At different times you had those awesome Bucks teams, championship 76ers teams, Bad Boys Pistons, Dominique"s Hawks, developing Jordan Bulls, and very, very good Cavs teams of the late 80"s.

The West was just largely non-competitive on the other hand.

樓主：東部在80年代的時候非常難打……不同的時間點上分別出現了優秀的雄鹿，拿了冠軍的76人，有壞小子的活塞，多米尼克威爾金斯的老鷹，不斷進步的喬丹的那支公牛，還有在80年代晚期非常非常棒的騎士。

而另外一邊的西部，在很大程度上就是沒什麼競爭性。

[–][UTA] Bryon Russelllastfollower 22 指標 1 天前

Should probably include Bird"s Celtics. They were alright.

是不是還應該把伯德的凱爾特人算上。他們也還不錯吧

[–]NBAlolathon234[S] 17 指標 1 天前

Well, I was excluding them as they were the Lakers chief rivals and their existence doesn"t really require mention

樓主：我把他們算作是湖人的主要對手了，還有他們這種人盡皆知的球隊就沒有多此一提的必要了吧。

[–]Hawksjumboponcho 79 指標 1 天前

Why I give Kobe and Shaq so much props for their three-peat. Sure the East wasn"t great, but Sacramento, Portland, and San Antonio had some great squads.

這就是為什麼我這麼支持三連冠的OK組合的原因。確實當時的東部不夠強，但是國王，開拓者，馬刺都是有不錯的陣容的。

[–]CavaliersLosingMyEdge7 13 指標 1 天前

I thought it was well understood that the WCF were the Finals from Jordan"s retirement up until that Pistons team knocked off the Lakers.

我一直以為在喬丹退役到活塞幹掉湖人F4那段時間之內，西部決賽就是總決賽了。

[–]Cavaliers BandwagonGrease_the_Witch 19 指標 1 天前

Put some respek on KG"s name

把加內特的名字也算進去呀。

[–]Warriorsphonage_aoi 37 指標 1 天前

He never made it out of the first round until after the three-peat.

他在湖人三連冠之後才第一次突破首輪。

[–]paah84 86 指標 1 天前*

I don"t think LeBron has an easy path. It"s easier yes but he had to overcome some legit threats. It"s just that he has been doing it so consistently for so long we may take it lightly.

我不覺得詹姆斯玩的是簡單模式。可能確實是輕鬆一些，但是他確實還需要克服一些真實存在的威脅。主要原因還是他已經這樣表現了很長時間了，我們已經覺得沒什麼大不了的了。

[–]MavericksDima_Kenose 23 指標 1 天前

It"s obviously impossible to truly know but I feel like if LeBron was in the west then a lot of the other stars would have ran to the east.

想要真正知道這個假設的最終結果會是怎樣的顯然不可能，但我覺得詹姆斯如果在西部的話，有很多其他的球星會跑去東部。

[–]Wizardsfabosexy 17 指標 1 天前

Lmao right. Because Shaq Kobe duncan wasn"t enough to scare people away if players actually ran.

哈哈哈哈哈行吧，如果球員真的會逃跑的話，看來奧尼爾，科比，鄧肯還不夠把人嚇跑。

[–]Lakers Bandwagon_Meece_ 21 指標 1 天前

Celtics and maybe the 2011 Bulls were the only teams in the east that were ever close to a contender outside the post-2010 Heat and Cavs.

凱爾特人和2011年的公牛是除去2010年後的熱火和騎士外，在東部最接近是冠軍爭奪者的球隊了。

[–]KnickedUp 22 指標 1 天前

Those Pacers teams were pretty legit there for a couple years. Werent they the best defensive team in the league 2 straight years?

步行者也打出了幾年非常不錯的表現的。他們不是連續兩年都成為了聯盟最強的防守球隊么？

[–]RaptorsZincHead 15 指標 1 天前

They took the eventual championship winning Heat to 7 games and were 1 win away from the finals. I dunno how much more real you can get than that.

他們把那支最後進入決賽拿到冠軍的熱火逼到了第七場，距離決賽就只需要再拿一場勝利。我不知道離真正擊敗他們的現實還能比這更接近多少。

[–]LakersdietcokewLime 17 指標 1 天前

Since we"re doing this can we all admit that it was a much easier path for the Celtics and Lakers teams of the 50s and 60s to win championships in an age with 8-10 teams. The playoffs were three rounds AND the top seeds got a bye most of those years.

既然我們在討論這個，那我們就是都承認50，60年代的凱爾特人和湖人在那個只有8-10支球隊的年代更容易奪冠咯。季後賽只有三輪，而且排名最高的種子選手們還會在大多數的年份里得到輪空的機會。

[–]LakersJakanzi 16 指標 1 天前*

This has always been the biggest irony of Laker fans complaining about Lebron"s easy path. Not that I"m exempt, I"m annoyed that any given year there are maybe 3-6 teams in the west better than any Lebron has to deal with in the east but it"s also very true that Magic and the Lakers benefitted from an easy conference as well.

這一直都是對湖人球迷抱怨詹姆斯進總決賽太簡單這件事的最大諷刺。我也不例外，我很生氣每年在西部都有3-6支比詹姆斯在東部所要面對的對手要強的球隊。但是魔術師和那支湖人確實也佔了分區偏弱的便宜。

[–]NBAlolathon234[S] 31 指標 1 天前

To be fair, excluding 09 Orlando, the 2000-04 Lakers had the toughest paths of any top seeded team in history.

講道理的話，排除09年的魔術，2000-2004年的湖人就是歷史上排位靠前的種子球隊里，通往決賽之路最難走的球隊了。

[–]Lakers Bandwagon_Meece_ 12 指標 1 天前*

Laker fans will usually compare Lebron"s path to the finals with Kobe"s. That"s where the criticism comes from.

Out of the 21 teams Kobe Lakers faced on their 7 trips to the finals. Only 4 of those teams had less than 50 wins, and one of them had 49.

湖人的球迷總是會被詹姆斯的通往決賽的道路和科比的做比較，這就是為什麼有人不斷批評詹姆斯的原因。

科比的湖人在他們7次進入總決賽的路途中，一共遭遇了21支球隊，其中只有四支在常規賽勝場不足50場，而且還有一支拿到的是49勝。

[–]KnickedUp -3 指標 1 天前

with prime Shaq, it didnt matter who was in front of those Laker teams.

有巔峰奧尼爾的時候，誰在那支湖人面前都無所謂。