歐文和卡特當年的情況不同，交易後騎士會升值還是貶值？

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歐文和卡特當年的情況不同，交易後騎士會升值還是貶值？

[Chris Sheridan] Don"t underestimate how strongly the #Cavs will be lowballed on @KyrieIrving offers. Oh, and @drose is not the answer. This is major crisis.

[ESPN-Chris Sheridan] ：千萬不要低估其他球隊對騎士的@凱里歐文空手套白狼的野心。哦，還有，@德里克-羅斯並不是你們的真命天子。這次危機真的相當嚴重。

[–]this_place_stinks 1031 指標 19小時前

I"d expect offers to be through the roof for a young guy with 2 years left on a very team friendly deal...

一位年輕球員，身背著對球隊整體及其友好的合同，而且期限還剩2年——我會指望交易得到他的籌碼高出天際的。

[–]RaptorsRaptorer 335 指標 17小時前

I wonder how strong his desire to leave is, and the odds of him being convinced to stay.

Also, can"t the Cavs just refuse to trade him. I don"t think he"s gonna pull a Carter and decide not to play.

我很好奇歐文離隊的慾望有多強烈呢？以及他被說服留下的幾率有多大呢？

另外，為什麼騎士就不能拒絕交易他呢？我不覺得歐文會像卡特當初那樣消極怠工然後拒絕上場打球啊

[–]Wolves BandwagonDrWolves 260 指標 17小時前

At this point though, it seems like going into next season with Kyrie would be a huge locker room distraction. These aren"t just made up rumors. Kyrie legitimately requested a trade and that won"t sit well with guys in the locker room.

Also, LeBron seems like he"s on his way out. Staying in Cleveland doesn"t make sense for him long-term since the Cavs are so hampered from a roster standpoint.

Being that LeBron is probably out, now you"re stuck with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love who I imagine both would have zero desire to be in Cleveland if LeBron isn"t there.

在這個節點上來看，如果歐文留隊的話，下個賽季可能會成為更衣室隱患啊。這不是編造的謠言。歐文可是正式提出了交易請求，這不會讓球隊其他球員高興吧。

另外，勒布朗也許會離開克城。因為從騎士目前的陣容問題來看，長期留在克利夫蘭對他來說並不合情理啊。

所以考慮到勒布朗很可能離開，那麼隊里就只有歐文和樂福了。沒了勒布朗，我猜他們也應該對留在克利夫蘭毫無興趣了吧

[–]Cavaliersaussiefrzz16 61 指標 16小時前

Again, Kyrie signed a deal with the cavs BEFORE he knew Lebron was coming back.

再次科普，歐文在知道勒布朗重返克利夫蘭之！前！就與騎士簽訂新合同了。

[–]Cavaliersthisismyeighthtry 33 指標 17小時前

I think we"ll get something good. Kyrie is great but he"s not the be all end all. Even if we don"t get a superstar for him, I think we can a few players where the sum of the parts will be greater than Kyrie, if that makes sense.

My only real concern is Griffin getting canned. I hope Koby doesn"t do something stupid. But this is Cleveland sports so he probably will

騎士球迷：我認為我們會換回來一些不錯的籌碼。凱里雖然很出色，但是他沒辦法全盤接管比賽兩端。就算我們沒法用他換來超級巨星級別的球員，我認為我們還是會得到幾名不錯的球員，加起來他們的作用應該會超過歐文一個人吧？如果這樣說得通的話...

我真正擔心的一點是大衛-格里芬卸任了總經理。我希望科比（Koby Altman，騎士隊副總經理）不要幹什麼傻事兒。但是這是哪兒？克利夫蘭啊！所以他很有可能會誒。

[–]RaptorsRaptorer 14 指標 17小時前

Agree with you. There is every reason why a Kyrie Irving will fetch good returns in a trade. And to be brutally honest, Kyrie wasn"t actually the best fit on the team to begin with. Yes, they made it work, as all great players do. But someone with, let"s say Chris Paul or even Kyle Lowry"s skillset, would work better for that team than Kyrie.

同意你的觀點。凱里歐文肯定能換來不錯的回報，這不是沒有原因的。然後掏心窩子說句實在話，凱里從一開始就不是最適合這支球隊的人選。沒錯，騎士三巨頭取得了成功，就像其他偉大的球員們那樣。但是也許換另外一個人，咱舉個例子比如像克里斯-保羅甚至是凱爾-洛瑞這樣技能全面的控衛，可能會比歐文更加適合這支球隊。

[–]Cavaliersfuck_going_shopping 14 指標 17小時前

If we end up with a decent shooting defensive PG and some help down low I"ll be incredibly content.

Losing his offensive power sucks, but he had some pretty concerning weak spots that we might now be able to mend. And we still have everyone else.

騎士球迷：如果我們能搞來一個有點兒籃子的防守型控衛以及低位防守者的話，那我就會相當的滿足了。

失去了歐文在進攻端的火力真是糟糕透頂，但是他的確有一些很令人擔憂的缺點，不過我們現在就可以補救一下了。並且隊里的其他人都還在呢。

[–]Supersonicsstoopslife 12 指標 17小時前

That sum of parts better be clutch as hell in the finals, dropping 40+ pts and scoring game winners.

層主，你說的「加起來的作用」最好能比得上在總決賽里砍下40分以及命中制勝球喲。

[–]3000milestoSpacejam 14 指標 16小時前

Same guy took a step back brick with a hand in his face to lose game 3. Kyrie is as unstoppable as it gets but if he"s not hitting his tough shots, he"s not doing a whole lot to help beat the Dubs. Sum of those parts better be offensively good and better at slowing Curry and/or Durant.

但是同樣是這個人在嚴防死守下的後撤步三分打鐵，最終導致騎士輸掉了今年總決賽的第三場。歐文可以變得不可阻擋，但是如果他無法命中那些高難度投籃，那他就沒辦法幫助球隊擊敗勇士。所以這些「加起來的作用」最好是進攻端能夠提供足夠的火力並且防守端能限制一下庫里以及/或者杜蘭特

[–]CavaliersZeedude22 6 指標 19小時前

I don"t think the Cavs will get lowballed though. The difference between Kyrie and the George situation for example is Kyrie is younger and has more years left on his contract.

我不認為騎士會得到很低的報價誒。拿保羅-喬治舉個例子，歐文和喬治的區別在於前者更加年輕而且他的合同還有好幾年才到期。

[–][DET] Jerome WilliamsWhatsUpBras 22 指標 19小時前

3 years left at 20M, probably one of the best contracts in the league

Low balled my ass.

歐文還有三年合同，每年差不多2000萬左右，這可能是聯盟里性價比最高的合同了吧！

還報低價，低個鎚子喲低。

[–]edgar3981C 348 指標 19小時前

DRose isn"t the magic piece a Kyrie-less Cavs need to win a ship? Well, better close down the sub. We"re done here.

羅斯並不是失去歐文後的騎士想奪冠所需的那個魔力拚圖嗎？好吧，帖子轉水去吧，我們沒啥可聊的了

[–][LAL] Elden CampbellKoba8 83 指標 20小時前*

It"s not like the Cavs have to accept anything tho

但是，並不是說騎士必須要接受什麼報價啊。

[–]CavaliersFinal_Smash 737 指標 20小時前

We"re not getting lowballed. He"s under contract. If no one gives us a good offer, we"ll just not trade him. This is not a PG scenario.

騎士球迷：我們不會被搶劫的。歐文還處於合同中，如果沒人能夠給我們足夠好的籌碼，我們就不會交易他。這個情況和保羅-喬治的並不一樣。

[–]Raptorsilikeslamdunks 46 指標 19小時前

I dunno. This isnt Vince Carter playing for a 36 win raptors team. This is a team that has a made the finals three years in a row and a player who wants to sign a big contract at some point. I think, disgruntled or not, Kyrie will be just fine on the court and LeBron doesn"t need BFs to run the rest of the east into the ground

猛龍球迷：我也是有點兒懵了。這又不是文斯-卡特在為36勝的那支猛龍隊效力那樣。這可是支連續三年殺進總決賽的球隊，而且歐文也會想在之後簽下一份大合同。我認為，不管自己滿意與否，歐文在騎士肯定還是會像往常那樣打球，而且勒布朗也不需要花什麼額外的精力就能碾壓東部。

[–]SpursComebacKids 8 指標 17小時前

What happened with Vince and the 36 win raptors?

當時卡特和36勝的猛龍隊發生了什麼？

[–]Raptorsilikeslamdunks 21 指標 17小時前*

We drafted a terrible Brazilian centre instead of Iguodala and a disgruntled VC quit on the team & forced a lop sided trade.

猛龍球迷：我們當時選中了一個很差勁的巴西中鋒，而沒有選擇伊戈達拉。對球隊失望透頂的卡特想要離開球隊，最終迫使我們完成了一次不等價的交易。

【注】猛龍04年第八順位選擇了巴西中鋒拉菲爾-阿勞約。76人則以第九順位選中了伊戈達拉。2004年12月17日，猛龍與籃網達成交易，籃網送出阿隆佐-莫寧，阿隆-威廉姆斯，埃里克-威廉姆斯，2005年第一輪選秀權和2006年第一輪選秀權，換來猛龍隊的文斯-卡特。然而由於無法通過體檢，猛龍最終買斷了莫寧的合同。

[–]Sunsiguanamac 27 指標 16小時前

He was taking uncontested fade away 3"s like they were going out of style. Young Vince Carter was a diva.

卡特當時經常在空位時出手後仰三分，就好像這項技術馬上就要過時了一樣。年輕的文斯-卡特有些自私。

[–]artf234 84 指標 20小時前

I think Kyries mindset can change for the purpose of winning. Just a few weeks ago he was saying he made the decision to sacrifice his personal goals to achieve something bigger with Lebron. That something is a championship. I"m sure Kyrie and Lebron are good friends so they can work it out.

Also Lebron hasn"t been too clear on his motives after a year which is kind of messing the front office up. But maybe it"s because he even doesn"t know yet.

我認為歐文的心態可以為贏球而調整。僅僅幾周之前他還曾經說過，為了和勒布朗一起完成更偉大的成就，他選擇犧牲自己個人的一些目標。很顯然那更偉大的成就就是指總冠軍。我確信凱里和勒布朗是很好的朋友，所以他們會想出解決問題的辦法的。

還有，勒布朗對於自己一年後的未來並不是很確定，這也在一定程度上影響了騎士制服組。但也可能只是因為他自己都不清楚呢。

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