現役拿過2次+MVP的只有詹庫，未來誰最有希望加入多次MVP得主行列？

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現役拿過2次+MVP的只有詹庫，未來誰最有希望加入多次MVP得主行列？

Interesting tidbit: Steph Curry and Lebron James are the only currently active players to win more than one MVP. (self.nba)

很有趣的一件事情：庫里和詹姆斯是現役中唯一兩位拿到超過一座MVP獎盃的球員。

Just thought it was an interesting thing to note.

Which player do you think is most likely to join this group? I personally think KD might win another MVP eventually.

Overall, only 13 players in league history have ever won 2 or more MVP"s.

只是覺得這是個值得一提的話題。

你認為其他哪個球員最有可能加入他們呢？我個人認為杜蘭特最終很可能再獲得一次MVP。

總之，在聯盟歷史中，只有13位球員得到過2座或以上的MVP獎盃。

[–]Lakersalwaysredact 477 指標 12小時前

KD is most likely because he already has one, and he"s on a team that"ll win a lot, thereby putting his name in the race every year.

If Harden wins it this year, I think he"s pretty likely to win another as well. Say what you will about D"Antoni, but he definitely puts his lead player (and even Jeremy Lin for like a week) front and center for the MVP award if they can play his system.

AD seems like another top candidate, but I think it"s possible that he wastes enough of his prime years on mediocre teams that don"t win enough for him to be considered seriously. Call this the Kobe conundrum.

Kawhi seems to have the type of game and personality that"ll constantly be overlooked for MVP. I mean, the dude is great, and there will be multiple years he deserves it/gets votes, but media narrative is a factor and Kawhi tends to go under the radar on that front.

當然杜蘭特是最有可能加入他們的，因為他已經拿過一次了，而且處在一支勝場很多的球隊，從而每一年他的名字都會在MVP的競爭中出現。

如果哈登今年拿了MVP的話，我認為他很有可能再拿一次。不管你對德安東尼的看法如何，他絕對能把陣中的核心球員變成MVP的領跑者（就算是林書豪，也在一周內達到了這樣的水平），只要他們能在德安東尼的體系里打球。

安東尼-戴維斯看上去像是另外一個非常有可能的人選，但是我認為他很可能會在一支平庸的球隊中浪費自己大量的巔峰歲月，得不到足夠的勝場去讓他真正處於MVP的考慮人選中。這也被稱為「科比難題」。

倫納德的個性和比賽風格會讓他一直在MVP評選中被輕視，我的意思是，這傢伙非常不錯，而且以後的很多賽季里他都會得到MVP的票數，也完全值得上這些投票，但是倫納德總是會在媒體青睞對象的雷達之外。

[–]Warriorsr-n-m 185 指標 9小時前

I don"t think KD wins another one. The Warriors will be great for years, but the voters will always struggle to vote for him as "MVP" with Curry, Thompson, and Green diluting his contribution to their success.

Same applies to Curry. I don"t think either wins another unless one substantially out-plays the other AND they still win a lot of games.

我不認為杜蘭特會贏下另外一座MVP。勇士會一直強盛很多年，但是投票者們總是會猶豫著把票投給杜蘭特。庫里，湯普森和格林的組合讓他對球隊成功的貢獻不那麼耀眼。

庫裡面對的情況也和上面一樣，我也不覺得他能再拿一次MVP，除非他那賽季的表現顯著的超越了其他候選人，而且同時勇士也贏下了非常多的比賽。

[–]BullsKredditH 63 指標 9小時前

If theres a year where the warriors win 73 games again, then either durant or curry ate likely to win it imo

在我看來，如果勇士在今後的某個賽季里能再次拿下73勝的話，那麼杜蘭特和庫里中的一個人很有可能拿下MVP。

[–]Lakersalwaysredact 50 指標 9小時前

KD was in the conversation earlier this year, and I would guess that this is peak Warriors hate (just like the first Heatles year was the only time anyone actually cared enough to not vote for LeBron). I would bet that the Warriors will challenge/beat 73 wins, KD will lead the team in rebounding, blocks, and points with some absurd efficiency, and he"ll get it.

If the Warriors play to their potential over the next 5 years and KD doesn"t win another MVP, I think it will be because Steph figured out how to sustain his 2015-2016 supernova mode for the whole time, including the playoffs, and won the MVPs instead.

在這賽季早些的時候杜蘭特就處在MVP的討論內，而且我也覺得今年也就是勇士不招待見的頂峰了（就像熱火三巨頭剛組建的那段時間一樣，只有那段時間裡人們才不願給勒布朗投票）。我敢打賭，以後勇士肯定會衝擊/打破73勝的記錄，然後杜蘭特在籃板，蓋帽和得分上都領先全隊，外加同樣逆天的效率，那麼他就會拿到MVP。

如果勇士在未來的5年里完全打出了自己的潛力，而杜蘭特卻沒有得到另一座MVP的話，我認為只有一種可能的情況，那就是庫里能夠始終保持自己在2015-2016賽季的超級水準，包括在季後賽里，從而自己拿下更多的MVP。

[–]Warriorsr-n-m 15 指標 9小時前

It definitely could happen. I think in a normal year, KD/Steph could win an MVP comfortably. However, if there is a year with absolutely dominating individual performances by guys like Westbrook and Harden, I still don"t see how KD/Steph could win one. KD and Steph will never get the chance to carry the Warriors and fill up the stat sheet like those guys.

But in a year without any guys dominating like Westbrook or Harden, if the Warriors do win 70+, I agree with you that they could each add MVPs.

上面說的那種情況肯定可能發生。我認為在正常的年份里，杜蘭特/庫里很舒服的就能拿到MVP。但是如果在某一年中出現了像哈登和威少這樣超級統治級別的個人表現，那麼我就不認為杜蘭特/庫里能拿了，他倆永遠得不到像威少和哈登那樣carry球隊以及填滿數據表的機會。

但是如果沒有球員打出今年威少或哈登表現出來的統治力的話，再加上勇士拿下70+的勝場，我便同意你說的杜蘭特/庫里各自都能拿下更多的MVP。

[–]Lakersalwaysredact 10 指標 9小時前

If KD really masters moving off the ball in the Warriors offense, I could see him having a good year and putting up like 40 ppg or something. To me, what"s really wild about the Warriors is that they have the potential to be so good that they inflate their individual offensive numbers. All of a sudden Steph is shooting 55/50/90 and scoring 30 a game, while KD is shooting 60/45/90 and scoring 40 because they all make the game so much easier for each other. Those types of numbers are hard for the media to ignore.

If the Lakers didn"t suck so bad right now I would hate your team so much.

如果杜蘭特真的精通了在勇士這套體系中的無球進攻的話，我能預測到他會擁有一個非常棒的賽季，比如場均砍下40分這樣。對於我來說，勇士最恐怖的地方就在於他們擁有潛力去變得非常優秀，從而能放大各自球員在進攻端的數據。也許突然一瞬間庫里就能以55/50/90的命中率場均砍下30分了，同時杜蘭特則能以60/45/90的命中率砍下40分了，因為他們都能讓各自的比賽變得更簡單。這種級別的數據會讓媒體很難去忽略。

如果我湖不是現在這麼爛的話，我肯定會非常黑你們隊。

[–]Raptorsmad-one 21 指標 7小時前

Kawhi finished second last year in MVP voting.

倫納德在去年的MVP投票里排第二呢。

[–]swan797 33 指標 7小時前

A very very distant 2nd though.

儘管是差距非常非常大的第二。

[–]Braveshayabusa- 8 指標 6小時前

that was literally the largest gap between #1 and #2 in the history of the NBA

實際上是NBA歷史上MVP投票中差距最大的第一和第二。

[–]SpursTornGauntlet 39 指標 10小時前

What if I told you Kawhi will continue on an upward trajectory

如果我告訴你倫納德會一直保持上升趨勢呢。

[–]Lakersalwaysredact 31 指標 9小時前

I would be totally unsurprised if he got better every year until he turned 30. Every time I watch the Spurs he does at least 5 things that literally amaze me. I think that he"ll definitely get one, but it might be a legacy, "wait how does Kawhi not have an MVP?" towards the end of his prime.

Honestly, I think he deserves it this year. But I think this year is an excellent example of the fact that when there"s someone who has a relatively equally great year (especially one more offensively focused) who also has a more media-friendly personality, they"re going to get it over him.

我的內心將會毫無波動，如果他能一直變強直到30歲的話。每次我看馬刺比賽時，他都最起碼能做出5件讓我吃驚的事情。我認為毫無疑問他會得到一座MVP，但是這也許會變成他的遺產，當他的巔峰快結束時，你也許會說「等等，怎麼可能倫納德還沒有拿到過一座MVP呢？」。

老實講，我覺得今年他值得這座MVP獎盃。但是我也認為今年將是一個非常完美的例子——當一個人打出了和你相同偉大的表現（尤其更加集中在進攻端），同時他又有著更受媒體歡迎的氣質時——人們便會把MVP給他。

[–][GSW] Ian Clarkoscarony 16 指標 8小時前

Kawhi doesn"t go under the radar. He just isn"t better than LBJ, KD, Steph and a few others.

倫納德可不是沒有得到足夠的關注。 他只是實力還沒有比勒布朗，杜蘭特，庫里和其他少數一些球員強罷了。

[–]Lakersflaminglips 13 指標 5小時前

I have no idea why you"re downvoted. Kawhi is a great player but overrated on this sub. He"s currently 6th behind Lebron, Curry, Durant, Harden and Westbrook.

People act like he still has the potential to be a top 10 player all time.

我不知道為什麼樓上你的評論被滅了，倫納德是個出色的球員，但是在這個論壇里被高估了。他目前只能排在第6，在勒布朗，庫里，杜蘭特，哈登和維斯布魯克身後。

人們在這裡卻表現得他還有潛力成為歷史前10的球員一樣。

[–]SunsAnotherDrZoidberg 125 指標 11小時前*

Not that interesting. It"s super hard to win multiple mvps.. You said it yourself only 13 players have ever done it.

這並不是個很有趣的話題。贏得多個MVP是非常難的一件事...你自己都說了歷史上只有13名球員達到了這一成就。

[–]RocketsBounceMan 44 指標 9小時前

Actually there are two at one time pretty frequently. From 1961-1965 it was Bob Pettit and Bill Russell. From 1966-1969 it was Russell and Wilt. 72-73 had Wilt + Kareem. 81-89 was Kareem + Moses Malone, with Bird joining them after the 84-85 season, and Magic won his second the year Kareem retired. Bird + Malone lasted until 92 with Jordan joining them with his second MVP in 91, 93 had Jordan + Malone, 96 had Jordan + Magic (coming out of retirement for a year). Karl Malone won his 2nd in the 99 season, so when Jordan returned a 3rd time there were 2 from 2001-2003, and Duncan won his second in 2003 so 2004 had Duncan + Karl Malone. Duncan was active until 2016, Nash got his 2nd in 2006 and was active until 2015. Lebron got his 2nd in 2010.

I may have made a mistake, but there being two is not rare in the slightest and has been the case every year since 2001.

事實上同時出現兩位達到這一成就的球員在歷史上出現的頻率很高，1961-1965是鮑勃-佩蒂特和比爾-拉塞爾，1966-1969是拉塞爾和張伯倫，72-73年是張伯倫和賈巴爾，81-89年是賈巴爾和摩西-馬龍，在84-85賽季後伯德更是加入了他倆的隊伍，同時在賈巴爾退役的那一年，魔術師也拿到了他生涯中的第二座MVP。伯德+ 摩西-馬龍的隊伍一直延續到了92年，喬丹在那一年拿下了他的第二座MVP獎盃。91-93年是喬丹+摩西-馬龍，96年有喬丹+魔術師（魔術師復出了一年）。卡爾-馬龍在99賽季獲得了第二座MVP，所以在喬丹第二次復出後，2001-2003年間聯盟里也有兩位達到這一標準的球員。鄧肯在2003年拿到了第二座MVP獎盃，所以2004年時則是鄧肯+卡爾-馬龍。鄧肯直到2016年才退役，其間納什在2006年拿到了他的第二座MVP，也直到2015年才退役，勒布朗則在2010年拿到了自己的第二座MVP。

我也許統計錯了一些年份，但是說同時有兩名現役球隊達到這一成就是很罕見的事情根本就是不存在的，自從2001年開始，每一年都滿足這個條件。

[–]NetsJavaleMcGee123 338 指標 13小時前

AD probably.

也許安東尼-戴維斯會做到吧。

[–]Mavericksbadoosh123 152 指標 9小時前

Not until the pelicans get good though

在鵜鶘變強之前，（兩次MVP）想都別想。

[–]Bullstrapper2530 18 指標 9小時前

Does adding cousins hurt that though? If ad averages 28/12 and cousins averages 24/10 will they look down on it becuase hey are both big men.

難道增加考辛斯不會降低濃眉（拿mvp）的機會嗎？如果濃眉場均28/12然後考辛斯場均24/10的話，人們是不會重視戴維斯的，因為他倆都是內線。

[–]NetsJavaleMcGee123 9 指標 9小時前

It certainly doesn"t help but at the end of the day AD is the better player and that"s all that matters when it comes to MVP.

多了考辛斯在當然不會有利於濃眉MVP概率，但是說到底濃眉是更強的球員，而MVP的評選也只看這個。

[–]Bullstrapper2530 6 指標 9小時前

I can see that when its different positions. Like Kobe shaq. And LeBron and Wade to a point. But if they play the same position there will be times he won"t get the best defended in the post. And you won"t be able to double him with your other big man becuase of cousins. Not saying he can"t win multiple but I think it will be hard with a second extremely dominant big man.

如果他倆打不同的位置，那麼還是很好區分的。就類似科比和沙克，勒布朗和韋德一樣。但是如果他倆都打同一個位置的話，那麼有時濃眉在低位就不會得到對方最重點的防守。同時你也不能讓你另外的大個子去包夾他，因為考辛斯的存在。並不是說安東尼-戴維斯就沒有機會拿很多MVP了，只是和另外一個同樣極具統治力的大個子一起打球，做到這一點很難。

[–][MIL] Thon MakerShort_Bus_ 38 指標 9小時前*

Might get downvoted because of my flair, but Giannis is (controversial opinion warning, but the advanced stats agree with my eye test) already better than AD, hasn"t had any injury problems, and is 2.5 years younger than AD.

I"d put Giannis just barely behind Kawhi for most likely 2x+ MVP and that"s mainly because Kawhi plays for the Spurs who average like 60 wins a season.

鹿蜜：也許因為我的主隊屬性，有人會滅我，但是字母哥已經比安東尼-戴維斯要強了（這是一個有爭議的說法， 但是高階數據證明了我的印象流），而且字母哥沒有任何傷病問題，比戴維斯也要年輕2.5歲。

對於獲得2個或以上MVP的人選，我會把字母哥緊緊的排在倫納德後面。主要是因為倫納德在馬刺，而這支球隊每個賽季都能平均拿下60場的勝利。

[–]BullsLupdalup 17 指標 8小時前

I really don"t know how he can be overlooked. He"s 22 and will be finishing in the top 25 in points, assists, steals, blocks, and rebounds.

我真的不知道為什麼人們會忽視字母哥，他才22歲，而且在得分，助攻，搶斷，蓋帽和籃板上都排在聯盟前25。

[–][MIL] Thon MakerShort_Bus_ 11 指標 8小時前

He"s comfortably top 20 in all but assists which he is 21st and will probably finish top 20 because Bledsoe is 19 assists ahead of him, but done for the season.

他能很輕鬆在每一項數據上都排進前20，除了助攻外，現在他的助攻排在第21位，最終很可能會排到第20，因為布萊德索目前只領先他19記助攻，但是他已經不會再出場賽季剩下的比賽了。

[–]LakersCallToBall 7 指標 7小時前*

Strrroooonnnngg statement. AD is one of the best two-way players in the game right now. And he only has 1 more season of experience despite that 2.5 year difference.

He"s probably the most underrated player in the league holy shit how is this a question. Giannis will not make all-nba or all-nba defense. Davis might earn both this year (again). Davis isn"t gonna lead the league in blocks, but hes still gonna be top 5 like he"s been for the past 3 seasons. He"s still averaging 4.5 more points, 3 more rebounds, and more than a block more per game (Giannis is no defense slouch). And he does this at a higher FT% and way higher FG%

Btw, their only similar playoff experience (2015), AD was going off for 31/11/2.7/ with 3 blocks and a steal per game. The force has been strong with AD for a long time. Idk if Giannis has caught up yet, but hes closed the gap.

很強勢的評論。安東尼-戴維斯是目前聯盟里攻防兩端最出色的球員之一，但是他只比字母哥在聯盟里多打了一個賽季，儘管在年齡上大了他2.5歲。

安東尼-戴維斯也許是目前聯盟里最被低估的球員，真見鬼，為什麼這也成了一個問題。字母哥今年不會被選入最佳陣容或是最佳防守陣容，但是戴維斯今年將再次入選最佳陣容和防守陣容。雖然戴維斯沒有在蓋帽上領先全聯盟，但是他還是在前五里，就像他過去3個賽季做的那樣。他比字母哥場均多得4.5分，3籃板，以及超過1蓋帽（要知道字母哥並不是防守累贅）。而且戴維斯是在一個更高的罰球命中率以及投籃命中率的條件下完成這些的。

再說一句，他們的季後賽經歷都差不多（2015年），但是戴維斯場均31/11/2.7外加3蓋帽1搶斷的表現要遠強於字母哥。安東尼-戴維斯保持這樣的強勢表現已經很久了，我不知道字母哥是否趕上了濃眉，但是他顯然在縮小兩人之間的差距。

[–]76ers2tickets 232 指標 13小時前

KD, Kawhi, Giannis, AD and KAT are top candidates.

杜蘭特，倫納德，字母哥，安東尼-戴維斯和唐斯是最有希望的候選人。

[–]redxbluexx 8 指標 9小時前

Can"t see Kawhi winning any MVPs with the bias people have against San Antonio "system" players

不覺得倫納德能拿下任何一座MVP，因為存在那些對於馬刺「體系球員」有偏見的人們。

[–]Bullshunter_oshea 43 指標 9小時前

I mean Timmy D won back to back MVPs

可是鄧肯卻拿過背靠背MVP啊。

[–]SpursTheCalvinator 7 指標 8小時前

I do think Kawhi can potentially win a couple, but I will say Timmy"s situation was a lot different. He won when when he was literally carrying the team. Those teams likely wouldn"t have even made the playoffs without Timmy. I think kawhi is hurt by the fact this team would likely still be good enough to slide into the 7th or 8th seed.

我確實認為倫納德有拿下多次MVP的潛力，但是我會說鄧肯當時的情況和現在差很遠。他是在自己單核carry球隊的情況下拿到的。那時的球隊如果沒了鄧肯，甚至都進不了季後賽。而現在的事實是，沒了倫納德這支球隊仍然有第7到第8的實力，這在一定程度上不利於他的評價。

[–]Superplex123 3 指標 6小時前

It"s really about the stats. Kawhi is a MVP caliber player who doesn"t put up MVP stats.

其實就是數據上的關係。倫納德是MVP級別的球員，但他還沒有打出MVP那樣的數據。

[–]redxbluexx 5 指標 9小時前

I"m not saying Kawhi shouldn"t win, I actually want him to win it this year. I"m just saying that the guys who vote don"t see him like that.

Duncan is different because he was the 1st pick in the draft and the main man on the team from the start. Kawhi on the other hand has had to grow into his role so I don"t believe he gets the respect he deserves.

我不是說倫納德不應該拿MVP，實際上我希望他今年能拿。我只是說真正投票的那些人並不像我們這樣看待倫納德。

鄧肯的情況是不一樣的，因為他是狀元，而且從一開始就是球隊的核心。倫納德則相反，他是一步步成長到今天這個地步的，所以我並不相信他會得到他應得的這些尊重。

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